Hi, I’m Shivan Sarna, and I’m the founder of Chronic Condition Rescue. And one of our missions is to help people learn about things that isn’t really medical mainstream, but impacting the masses like fascia, lymph, the liver gallbladder, IBS and SIBO, the microbiome, biological dentistry. Those are all things that I’ve done summits on.

And as I was doing all of these summits over the past six years, I heard a lot of conversations about saunas and how important they were and the different light waves and red light and what alternative therapies were really turning out to be essential for a lot of people. And that led me to Phil Wilson, who’s my very special guest today. Phil is a true expert in the area of holistic health, like OG, and he’s also truly a specialist in the ultrafine niche of saunas and infrared saunas in particular.

He is known for all of these different, if you go to a health fair, a health medical conference, like really high level medical conference where they have a ballroom that’s converted into a showroom where people are displaying newest and latest and greatest technologies or ancient ones that are now being proclaimed as new, so you’re gonna see Phil Wilson there, chances are, because he travels so much to all these different places teaching people about saunas and in particular Relax Saunas. So he’s here today to talk about it. Hi, sir, thanks for being here.

It’s great, I always enjoy being interviewed by you. It’s one of my most fun things to do, being interviewed. Well, thanks, I appreciate that.

I certainly enjoy you. Let’s say someone has never, ever, ever really even thought about sauna, but they had nothing else to do right now, so they came to visit, which is awesome. So tell us what, like, just break it down for me, beginner’s mind, what is a sauna and how can anyone benefit from it? Okay, there’s a book out called Gastro Girl, Healing Yourself One Colon at a Time by Rebecca Harder, and she has a chapter saying a far-infrared sauna is a necessity for feeling fabulous in the 21st century.

Now, going back to way back, Hippocrates, the father of modern medicine said, find me a way to create fever and sweat and I will cure disease. Now, I was at a cancer conference in Jacksonville, Florida, three, four months ago, and there’s a German doctor who wrote a book, and he talked about far-infrared saunas and the therapy of it at the conference. And we were talking, he said, you know, when you go back to the root of the word physician in Grecian times, they were called warmers.

Oh, interesting. So, see, you know, like a warm hug from grandma is very therapeutic and very healing. A warm hug from a dog or a cat or any animal is very therapeutic because animals and humans generate far-infrared energy.

And when you hug someone, your far-infrared energy is being emitted to them and vice versa. When a chicken lays on an egg, she’s generating far-infrared energy, and the energy is causing the water molecules in the egg to vibrate, and that’s gonna increase the heat inside the egg, and that’s gonna get it to hatch. Now, turtles are a little bit different than chickens.

They lay the eggs two inches below the sand, and the far-infrared light from the sun resonates with the water in turtle eggs and activates the turtle embryo to grow into a turtle. Dr. Gerald Pollack, in his book, The Fourth Phase of Water, says that the far-infrared light from the sun gives the plants the power to move and to bend because the far-infrared resonates with the water molecules in the plants. And that’s the secret.

You wanna get the special frequency of light when you go out into the sun, and oh my God, it feels like you’re in heaven, when you’re deeply to the core. Well, it took the Relaxsona Company 10 years, from 1987 to 1997, to only give you that specific frequency of light between seven and 14 microns that resonates with the eight micron water and the 9.4 micron human body. It’s the same energy, so therefore we don’t resist it.

We absorb it and it penetrates because we don’t recognize it as not being us. And so therefore it causes the water molecules to vibrate and spin. And I was talking to a physicist and she was telling me that that changes the voltage in the cell, increasing the body temperature.

It’s similar to 100 people in a small room dancing. It’s gonna get hot. So if you can increase your body temperature, that’s the secret.

That’s like, oh my God, that’s what you wanna do. And because when you increase body temperature and you can look at the science on it, that does five main things. It mobilizes the lymph, okay? That detoxifies and purifies the body.

Number two, it increases circulation, lowering blood pressure and getting rid of inflammation and pain and get rid of stagnant areas of the body where fungus and yeast can grow. Number three, it’s gonna oxygenate the body and flood the body with oxygen. And that’s gonna kill the anaerobic bacteria and the parasites.

Number four, the most exciting, especially with the Relax Sauna, because we give you only the seven to 14 micron energy. We’re not full spectrum. We give you only the fire and flood that resonates.

That’s the loving, soft, loving light. And that’s gonna cause the parasympathetic nervous system to be activated. Now, my definition, my quasi-definition of pain is the awareness of time, okay? Have you ever hurried? Yes, I have hurried a lot.

Have you ever worried? Those are painful activities. Even waiting and grieving, those are painful activities and they’re all involved with time. Interesting.

So when you activate the parasympathetic nervous system, the neurotic mind stops and you become timeless because you connect with the divine. Well, so for anyone who’s not really like off the top of your head, what’s parasympathetic versus sympathetic? So parasympathetic is rest and digest. It’s that feeling after or during a massage.

It’s that central nervous system that’s like, huh, recuperative and peaceful. And whereas the sympathetic, which I always remember is, oh, I’m stressed, I need my sleep. Yes.

But that’s the fight or flight. So Phil, so I can see that you have your Relax Sauna behind you. Yes.

And what I love about it is it’s at home. I call it the tea cozy. That’s my name for it, of course.

It just, it surrounds you in such an easy way. I like it because it’s not, this is gonna sound stupid and weird, but like you said, it’s not too hot. So I’m not a big person that sweats.

My husband gets like, the sun hits him, he starts perspiring. That is not me. And I’d actually wish it was more like that because I know it’d be better for my detoxification.

But this is just a very gentle, like you said, loving, beautiful feeling of just, of health. I don’t know another word to describe it other than it’s very nurturing. So there’s some questions about like EMF, the electromagnetic fields of saunas, other people’s versus yours.

What’s the difference? What should we be thinking about if you would? Well, you know, when people talk about EMF, I have four or five things, four or five topics to talk about that basically makes you realize that the Relax Sauna is not guilty of any of that. And actually it’s the opposite. The Relax Sauna has more of the far infrared energy that antidotes the negative effects of microwave EMF.

There’s research in Japan that says that far infrared energy antidotes the negative effects of EMF and it’s the microwave EMF. This thing here, a hundred times, that’s called the cell phone. Yeah, I’ve seen those before.

Yeah, it’s a hundred times more dangerous than the EMF of any household appliance. Wow. There are four people who live in Arizona and Southern California who go into houses to make them safer EMF wise, who all own Relax Saunas in their home.

So if they’re going into homes and one person discovered that one of her clients had a Relax Sauna in their home and then a week later met us, got in the sauna and bought one. Would they like building biologists? Is that what you’re saying they were? These people are just independent people who’ve discovered that EMF is not the best thing in the world. Oh, I got you, I got you.

They have made a business out of doing that or a partial business. Got it. In San Diego, they published a list of all the EMF of all the use of all the household appliances and of the 21 most common household appliances, the Relax Sauna is third less, the third least amount of EMF and the seventh amount, depending whether you measure from 12 inches or one inches.

But even a blender, which has 10 times more EMF than the Relax Sauna is not dangerous. It’s the fear of EMF that is a thousand times more dangerous than EMF of itself. You know, like Valdemir that people shudder.

It’s the misunderstanding that the household appliances, I mean, when you go into a house that has wifi or when you carry a cell phone. Cell phone is more, yeah. Yeah, it makes the whole question almost like, well, is this someone else’s, something you heard from someone else or are you talking from experience? Because it is rare, but it does, there are a couple of people who are very sensitive and we honor those people, but most of them find that the Relax Sauna actually undoes the damage and grounds you and relaxes you.

And also if you measure the EMF in the Relax Sauna compared to other portable saunas that I’ve measured, we’re a lot less, even though they advertise themselves as no EMF or low EMF, we are actually less. So Phil, I wanna ask you about like just a typical day in the life of, the sauna comes with a chair, by the way, there are a couple you can get. You can get the one that’s right behind him.

You can get the one that’s black. It’s literally, this is the silver one. There’s a black one.

And then you get one where I call the enchilada, which is like you’re lying down and it’s like a taco shell around you. So it totally depends on you. I have more space for an upright than I do like a lie down space.

And I just, I like this one a lot. When, how long are we staying in it? What am I wearing while I’m in it? Can I be sky-clad as they say in the yogis where nothing’s between you and the sky? Naked. Or am I wearing like sweats? Just give us a rundown of like an ABC of how to use it.

And then I wanna break down a couple of reasons to use it. Like if you have Lyme, if you have mold, what are some other groups of people who really benefit other than everyone, but particularly some with symptomatics or conditions. And this isn’t medical advice.

This is a wonderful tool to be able to utilize and talk to your practitioner about it if you have any hesitations. And of course, do your research, glad you’re here. So you go in there, you sit down on the chair that comes with if you’re doing the upright one.

And how long am I staying in there? Well, there’s two kinds of treatments with a Relax Sauna, not so much with other saunas. The Relax Sauna is unique in that you can do five to seven minute treatments with your clothes on and not sweat. And I guarantee that 50% to 100% of any pain and stress will be gone, guaranteed in five to seven minutes with your clothes on and no sweating.

Wow. I’ve put 100,000 plus people in the saunas at about 400, 500 conferences in the last 20 years. And every time, I mean, a lot of times, 100% of the pain is gone.

And if not, at least 45, 50%, at least in five to seven minutes with your clothes on, with hardly any sweating, maybe a little bit. Wow, okay. What temperature is the ideal temperature for the sauna? And is it an auto dial? Is it already gonna be going up to that temperature? Just help us to figure that part out so we don’t forget it.

The Relax Sauna company took from 1987 to 1997. to discover a way to give you only the loving light, only the soft light. And what it does, it resonates with the water molecules as we talked about.

Right. So you just turn it on and you’re done. You don’t have to- Temperature controlled.

It’s already done. See, the temperature inside the sauna has very little to do with the therapy. It’s not the issue.

You want to increase body temperature. And so it instantly gets to 130, 140 degrees. Very, very comfortable.

If after 20 minutes or even after 15 minutes, you get too hot, we have a digital sophisticated temperature control device called the zipper. And you just unzip it. Unzip.

Yeah, unzip it two inches, six inches, 10 inches until you’re comfortable because it’s not the heat that does the therapy. It’s the light resonating and it bounces off the walls in the Relax Sauna. See, the Relax Sauna, a lot of people don’t realize it.

You know, they just turn their nose when they see us at conferences. Well, I have a $5,000 wooden sauna. Well, that’s nice.

But this is a $15,000 sauna that we sell online for $1,500. It’s not a $100 sauna that sells online on Amazon for 300 to $500. And it’s not a $500 sauna that you can buy for $1,200.

You know, it’s a $15,000 sauna selling for $1,500. And people don’t realize that like supplements, saunas are dose specific. In other words, that all saunas have a different dose just like all supplements do.

And we have about nine to 10 times more of the soft, far-infrared resonating light which I call the loving light than any other sauna. And that’s why we’re the most therapeutic sauna. That’s why people with mold toxicity, with Lyme disease, with chronic fatigue, with chronic pain, they’re in love when they get in the Relax Sauna because it releases them from their pain or from a large part of it all the time.

And it’s cumulative and it slowly, it lessens and lessens and lessens. So Kathy’s saying, I’ve heard that sweating is a big part of detoxing in a sauna. If you don’t sweat, are you detoxing? I think you were just saying in the first five minutes for some people in their clothes, they get a pain relief.

Yes. But then when you stay in longer than your five minutes, sweating happens. Yes, they’re like two phases.

Like Dr. Roger Billica has Tri-Life Clinic in Fort Collins, Colorado. He used to be medical director for NASA. And he told us that when his patients finally, who are non-sweaters, finally start sweating, there’s a marked difference in their healing journey.

So you do want to sweat. And I, we have been, Janna, who is my ex-wife, prided herself on being a midwife for sweaters. She got people who hadn’t sweated in years to start sweating every single time.

One lady took 51 minutes. Dula, like a Dula, yeah. Yeah, sweating Dula, right.

That’s funny. That’s funny. Exactly, yeah.

So what is the temperature that the Relax Sauna goes to? Just out of curiosity, Cynthia’s wondering. It can go to 169, 170, even 175, but that’s like, that’s too hot for most people. You know, you can, I mean, like there are people who promote the wooden saunas and they’re 210 degrees or whatever.

But, and they have said that the, far infrared saunas can’t give you the body temperature increase that those can, but that’s because they don’t know about the Relax Sauna. We can increase body temperature significantly more than any wooden sauna, any infrared sauna. And that’s the beauty of the science of the Relax Sauna.

All right. I want to ask you another question. David has a question, hang on.

Here we go. I’m going to pull up the website. It takes 20 minutes, by the way, for a complete sweat generally.

Okay, that’s great. And you put a towel on the chair and then you drape another towel over the chair and all your sweat goes on the two towels. You get out after 20 minutes, 25 minutes, whatever.

And you take the towels out, you put it in a hamper and then you turn the sauna on for five minutes. Okay. So here’s the black sauna and here’s the silver one.

The silver one’s what’s behind you. It comes with a carry case, that’s a little chair. And then this is what I call the enchilada one or the taco one, the lie down sauna.

I’m not going to get into the medical lamp, but I want to find out what’s the difference between, because David’s curious about this, the black sauna and the silver sauna. So right now you can see the beautiful embroidered logo, ivory logo on the black sauna. Yeah.

This is our Monet sauna. It sells, the Monet paintings sell for a lot more than paintings done by local artists because it brings you great joy when you look at it. So that’s the main difference.

But it is- It’s an aesthetic thing. It’s an aesthetic thing, but it is twice as thick. It does retain the heat and it probably reflects the light a little bit better.

So if money is an issue, get the silver sauna. You’re not going to shortchange yourself. But I used to spend seven times more for colored staples than silver staples because they brought me joy.

And so if you look at this and it looks fantastic and it brings you joy, then by all means, get it if you have the money. Got it. Did you say to turn on for five minutes after you get out? Say that again? Yeah, that self-cleans the sauna, yes.

Nice. Okay, I didn’t know that. Do you need to be drinking electrolytes while you’re doing sauna? You can do it before.

Get out of the chat with your questions, go back to Q&A. I’m breaking my own rule. Put your questions there.

Okay, what about electrolytes? It’s always good to do electrolytes, always good. And you do them before you get in the sauna, drink eight ounces, 10 ounces of water with or without electrolytes. And then after, I mean, on spa day for Phil, I’ll get in for 20 minutes, do a 20 minutes sweat, get out, drink some water, maybe do a shower, do another 20 minutes, get out, drink some water and do a third 20 minutes.

And I feel like I’ve been at the spa for nine hours. I feel, you know, better than those zest commercials. I feel really clean.

There’ve been some interesting studies about doing it like that. My sauna blanket only goes to 79 degrees. Will this work? You know, there’s a lady who actually lives in the same city as I do in Las Vegas.

And she bought a sauna for us about a year and a half ago. And then she bought another sauna and she gave me a six minute interview. She had had a higher dose blanket.

She had a $1,200 portable sauna also. And she said, when I get in the Relax Sauna, I feel revitalized. The other, the blanket and the other sauna, they didn’t do that.

I felt, you know, she gave them away. It’s not just, so just to clarify here, it’s not just about getting hot because otherwise we’d all live in Florida, right? Right, right. It’s about a very particular infrared, far infrared wavelength.

And so it’s very scientific. They all, I mean, seriously, they all look like T-Coses, right? Except the black one, which looks like Monet. So, you know, you wanna have this kind of technology.

That’s the point about what makes it so different. So it’s not just about sweating. So how often do you use it? Well, 20 minutes sweat is amazing.

Ryan, who works with me, he’s got a system where he’ll do up to 40, 45 minutes and reach a second or third level of intensity. And so, but for the average person, 20 minutes sweat is great. If you’re, we have a lot of professional baseball players now using the Relax Sauna from about seven or eight different teams.

And also a lot of, we’re getting reports from the athletic industry. And oh my God, one guy, he said he’s never had an experience like this that is so profound on an athletic basis, on a sauna basis. We really put the $5,000 wooden saunas to shame in terms of the feeling of warmth, the feeling of rejuvenation you experience in the cleansing purification.

I love, purification is one of my favorite words. I just love purifying me. I mean, I just feel so cleansed and so aware and my mind and my brain are both working good.

And I love that feeling. I used to solve math problems as a youth. And so I just love having a clear mind.

How often are you saying to do this? Once a day, once a week? I use it every morning. A lot of people use it at night. I think if I used it at night more, I wouldn’t have the need to use it in the morning because I’d feel a whole lot better.

And when I do use it at night, I don’t feel the absolute need to use it in the morning. But I say when I use it in the morning, it feels like it puts a cup of coffee to shame. Got it.

Is regular sauna beneficial for mood detox? Absolutely. It’s one of the, because it cleanses not just the physical body but the emotional and mental bodies too. In other words, it cleanses, it just really purifies and connects you with the divine.

And when you’re basking in divine love, it just cleanses every aspect of your beingness. Out of respect to my homeowner, how does it affect the electricity system of the house and the cost of electricity? And by the way, you just plug it into a regular household outlet. Yeah, 15 to 20 cents an hour.

Okay. What about, are there any contraindications? Anyone or groups who should not use this? And what about someone if they have lymphoedema? Dehydration is one. And we have had, one lady loves a sauna so much and she keeps her arm out because when she keeps her arm in, she uses the hole and she keeps her arm out.

She has lymphoedema and so she keeps her arm out? Yes, exactly. And so, you want to do it gingerly with lymphoedema, but if there’s a well, there’s a way. And if you really, really want to do it, you can find a way to get a lot of the benefits from the Relax Sauna with a minimal of inconvenience for you.

And you don’t have to get in there and zip the whole thing up and be in there for 20 minutes the very first time. Please don’t, as a matter of fact. Yes.

Like, build up. Be gentle with yourself. Again, it’s an energy.

You see, the Far infrared does three principles of Far infrared energy. Okay, tell us. It goes through clothes.

You know, you go out on a hot day and it goes through your clothes. Yeah. Okay.

It’s a light and so it goes at the speed of light, which is pretty fast. And the third thing, which is hard for us to get our arms around, but even though it’s invisible, it’s reflected by a mirror. And when you go into the Relax Sauna and you get in there and you feel that intense warmth in the lower back area, you know for sure that it’s bouncing off the silver in the back of the tent.

But it’s blue in the back of the tent. Well, that’s because it goes through the blue and hits the silver and bounces because it goes through clothes. So the secret to the success of the Relax Sauna and why it’s only $1,500 is because we don’t have to have our little semiconductor chips all over the place.

See, this is what the semiconductor chip looks like. Okay. Is that in the Relax Sauna? This is the table lamp.

Tell us about the table lamp. Someone’s asking about that. Yeah.

What is that? Well, you do it like this. You do it like this. You wanna close your eyes.

You don’t have to. The fire in front does not hurt the eyes. Ultraviolet does, but fire in front does not.

And it feels so good. You wanna close your eyes. But one lady, she had had a dental surgery and they used a laser on her and they burnt her tongue by mistake.

And the pain was about a nine. And this has been going on for about 36 hours. And she came to our booth.

And I said, well, just do this. Just stick your tongue out like this and do this for five or 10 minutes and try it two or three times and bring it back. So she brought it back after about an hour and a half.

And then she didn’t come back to use it again. And then the next day I said, well, what happened? She said, oh, the pain’s gone. Five, 10 minutes, gone.

And we have miracles upon miracle on this. One lady got her eyesight back. That’s the rarity.

That’s rare, right. Yeah. And something happened with her hearing.

One lady did this on her. She gets B-12 shots in her. She had blisters all over or whatever, purple marks all over her thigh or her.

And she put this on it. In real time, it started disappearing. Oh my gosh, wow.

This is the magic. This is what deserves a Nobel Prize. It took 10 years to invent those chips.

It’s magical. No other sauna can do what this does. It’s not magic, it’s science, but yes, I get what you’re saying.

Yeah, I know. What is the far infrared wavelength in nanometers someone wants to know? 7,000 to 14,000. In other words, it’s 10 times the wavelength of red.

Okay, so it is red light therapy. No, red light is 760 nanometers. Near infrared is 760 to 2,000 nanometers.

Near infrared penetrates one to two millimeters. Far infrared between seven and 14 or 7,000 to 14,000 penetrates, it’s the same energy as us. So it penetrates one and three quarters inches, which is 40 to 50 millimeters, 20 to 40 times more than near infrared.

So when you say you have full spectrum infrared, that’s like, is that good or bad? Well, I mean, it may be, it doesn’t, see the purpose of a far infrared sauna is, and again, you were talking about all the energy medicine devices like the PEMF, the microcurrent, the red light, the near infrared laser, even the hyperbaric oxygen and ozone and Rife machines, the Relax Sauna and far infrared saunas in general, the purpose is to increase body temperature and fulfill the dream of Hippocrates by creating a fever and thereby allowing him to cure you. So that’s the purpose of a far infrared sauna, different and it complements all the other energy medicine devices. Okay, I wanna show you a couple of things.

We’re gonna keep going, we’re gonna go rapid fire through these questions. Somebody’s asking about the light, about the lamp. Hold on, zoom, here it is, share screen, Shivan, share screen, this.

So it’s the same technology as what’s in the Relax Sauna, it’s just, you can target it, is that correct? Yes, for example, we’ve been able to get rid of diabetic ulcers. And one lady who sells a $70,000 machine that does far infrared and ozone and all these other things, she said her grandma got the lamp, that lamp, and had MRSA and eight months of antibiotics didn’t do a thing for the MRSA, but five weeks of the Relax Sauna professional model Sky Eye Lamp got rid of the MRSA and got rid of the wound. And individual results are going to vary and that’s amazing.

Okay, does it ever need repair? If so, how and what’s the cost? Well, it would depend would be what would be wrong with it, but it is a 10 year warranty, right? It’s got a one year warranty. Oh, one year, sorry. But we say that it should last five to seven years in a clinical setting.

And many people have, I say that it should last 10 to 20 years, not like a computer is only last three, 40 years, but it’ll last 10 to 20 years. And we have dozens of people that I’ve interviewed with testimonial interviews who’ve had it for 16, 17, 18 years, and it works as good as it did from day one. Does it need to be wiped clean after use? Well, if you put two towels, a drape towel and a folded towel, and all the sweat goes in the towel, it doesn’t need to be wiped.

And then you leave it on for five minutes. Right, and that’ll self-clean. It’s like a self-cleaning in oven.

Okay, is a cold shower after a sauna contraindicative as you cool down the body again quickly? Hi, Dolores. Quite the contrary. It’s a very, very well-known popular therapy for thousands of athletes and tens of thousands of- Hot cold, hot cold.

Yes, right, it’s part of the therapy. And a lot of people, well, as a matter of fact, a guy, 2017, he compared the Relax Sauna to two Amazon saunas. The Amazon saunas increased body temperature a half a degree only, and they did not increase heart rate variability at all.

They totally failed to do what the research on far-fed saunas said it can do. And then he got a Relax Sauna, increased body temperature 3.2 degrees, and it dwarfed what it did for heart rate variability. The research paled in what we did.

He was amazed, and he said the Relax Sauna paired with cold showers is like, what an incredible treatment, because he was really into that. Are steam saunas any good? Hi, Anne. Yeah, they’re good, but it’s not far-fed energy, and the purpose is not to increase body temperature and create the fever.

So they are good, but it’s not far-fed. And Dr. Sherry Rogers, who wrote the book, Detoxify or Die, said that the far-fed saunas are the superior sauna, and that they’re like a horse of a different color. So a couple of things.

We have $150 off for you, and that’s just for a week. And I’m throwing in a really special masterclass by Dr. Kim Traeger, who I don’t know if you know her. She works with Dr. Christine Schaffner over at Eminence Health in Seattle, and it’s on migraines and neck pain.

And Clarissa, if you get a chance to shoot me the link in the private chat, then I can pull that up and show everybody. It was a very popular masterclass. It’s fantastic.

And what you would do is you would get the sauna or the lamp, one of the items from Phil, and then send the proof of purchase within the next week to, hold on, to info at SIBO SOS. I need to restate it. If you buy in the next 20 minutes, that’s when you get the masterclass.

You do get the $150 off afterwards, that’s for a week. But if you guys decided to take action, we call it a quick action bonus, you would get this masterclass about migraine and neck pain. It’s really, really good.

I’ll show it to you. But while I’m pulling that up, I want to ask you about the chair. Shirley’s been asking, can we buy just a replacement chair for her portable sauna? And is the chair toxin-free? The chair is made out of nylon and stainless steel.

It’s pretty much toxic-free. It comes with the sauna and the whole Relax Sauna with the chair will fit into many, many 28-inch suitcases. You just throw it in your luggage and check your bag.

I think that’s awesome. Yeah. So this is the masterclass that you’d be getting if you get it in the next 20 minutes.

And we can see from the receipt, your timestamp. Because I have suffered from headaches and I wanted Dr. Krim Traeger, who is a genius, really, she’s brilliant, from sinuses to dental issues to vertebrae to lymph and fascia. This was a phenomenal, phenomenal class.

We sell these all the time at SIBO SOS and it’s $59. So I thought I’d throw that in if you guys decided to make your move within this next 20 minutes. It was a really great class.

And Clarissa, I just wanna make sure that they do get the Q&A with it. So Q&As for our masterclasses are often excellent. This one was particularly good.

So be sure to listen to that too. And her slides were fantastic. So what you would do is simply in the next 20 minutes, make your purchase.

And then within the next week, when you get your receipt, send it over to info at sibosos.com and we would get that to you. Okay. The max amount that we ever had off for the sauna, Shirley, is $200.

He only does it once a year or when I arm wrestle him and I win. And that just happened after we didn’t do a big promo for Phil for Relax Saunas for Black Friday. It’s the only time you get $200 off.

And I asked him if we could do it at the end of the year, the last week of Christmas, and he let us. So I really appreciated that. But then you will not see $200 off, that additional $50 off until maybe next Black Friday.

Black Friday, we do a Black Friday special every year. So that’s how, so I thought I’d make that up to you because of the $59 masterclass. Okay, so that answers that.

Do I ship, do you ship to Canada or Europe? Absolutely. To Canada, they get the United States sauna. To Europe, they get the European sauna that fits their country plug and the 20 volt, yes.

Okay, can we just buy the chair? Shirley wants to know if she can just buy the chair. Yeah, I think they’re $125 online. They can buy a chair, yes.

Okay, what’s the difference between blue light therapy and red light therapy? Well, you know, I opened up a helper store in 1980 and we were selling color therapy glasses like they’re going out of style for 20, 30 years. It’s a vibration, it’s a different vibration. There’s a company that sells blue light, purple light, green light, red light.

They’re all different, but none of them are far infrared light. Far infrared light raises body temperature by resonating because we are far infrared light beams. Daniel Brinkley says we are spiritual light beams, but we are far infrared light beams and water is a far infrared molecule.

Water of itself generates and emits far infrared and absorbs far infrared light. Okay, somebody’s asking, what do you get? What do you get when you get the sauna? So let’s look at that. You get the carry, correct me if I’m wrong, Phil.

You get the carry case, you get the chair and you get the sauna itself. You get the tent, you get the tent and then you get the radiator, the double radiator. Yes, that comes with it.

And the poles that hold the tent up, those come with it, yes. So that’s, you get all of that. It’s all right there on the site.

Okay, when you’re sweating, should you use a binder? Hi, Kathleen. It’s always good to use a binder, but it’s not necessary, but it’ll probably augment and help the cleansing process. Is it a little like going to the ocean, negative ions? You know, the Relax Sauna doesn’t tell you, but we have negative ions in our generator.

It’s compared to far infrared, it’s so small, but yeah, that’s why you’re turning it on for five minutes and it’s self-cleaning. It grounds you also. What’s the chair made out of? Metal would heat up even if sitting on a towel, question mark? Well, we do have these little rubber pads over a lot of the chair.

And if you put a towel on the, a folded towel on the chair and you drape another towel, you never touch the metal. It’s stainless steel. Do you take the binder before or after the sauna? I’m gonna, you answer that.

Well, I would take it before. Yeah, me too. Before.

Yeah. Please discuss the concerns of heart complications if one is on blood pressure medications. The Relax Sauna always helps blood pressure.

It always reduces blood pressure. If you have extremely low blood pressure, do it consciously because it always seems to lower blood pressure. The Mayo Clinic says that Far infrared saunas in general are one of the best things in the world for all their heart patients.

It’s very therapeutic and that their heart patients should not use hot tubs and they should not use regular finished saunas because they raise the outside temperature without raising the body temperature. But if you raise the inside temperature, the heart won’t have to race to find an equilibrium between the inside body temperature and the outside. Very, very good for heart patients.

It’s one of the best things for heart patients, Far infrared saunas, especially the Relax Sauna. If someone had a specific question that I don’t feel comfortable answering here, what is the email address to have them email your customer service? You can send it to phil, P-H-I-L, at relaxsaunas, plural, .com. Phil at relaxsaunas.com. That’s his hotline, Maria. I’m sending that to you, Maria.

Please explain, yep, there it is. I just, I don’t wanna, it was about another brand and I don’t like disparate, I don’t wanna do any other brand competition conversations. But you can ask him, he’s got an opinion.

Lisa, I have a motor neuron condition similar to ALS. I’m so sorry. It causes my muscles to be tight.

I use FAR and FRED sauna two to three times a week to help my body to detox. Whenever I finish my sauna session, I stand up to get myself to the bathroom. My lower legs and IT bands are super tight and I can barely walk.

What do you think causes this to happen? And what can I do to prevent this? No, my calf muscles are my most problematic area with regard to tightness in my body. I’ve got a couple of questions, Lisa. I’m not sure if you’re still here.

I know you asked this question a few minutes ago or a while ago. Are you doing enough electrolytes and the chair that you’re sitting on, are you like dipped into it or are you like sitting up in it? And also maybe put a couple of towels underneath your hips to really raise so the crease of your groin is more open than sunk in. So that’s just some thoughts for you.

The Relax Sauna has a 30 day money back guarantee. Order a Relax Sauna and you probably won’t have those problems with the Relax Sauna. If you do send it back, it’s got a 30 day money back guarantee.

I’m glad you just said that. So when you guys get it, use it. Don’t wait until day 29.

Don’t just sit there and stare at it. I want you to get it and use it because this stuff is phenomenal. Okay, is the unit for non-toxic for folks with chemical sensitivities? Pretty much, you know, a couple of years ago we had an issue where, you know, like a new car has to outgas, like it has to outgas.

And so they solved that by outgassing it before they made them in Taiwan. This is made in Taiwan, not China. Taiwan’s known for quality.

So we’ve pretty much resolved that. You know, I mean, the worst thing that can happen is you just turn it on a couple of times and it outgasses. Okay.

Do we need to be concerned about our skin if far infrared goes through the clothes? I think it’s wonderful for your skin, Don. Doctor, there’s a lady named Karen Russell from 2007, her mercury and lead were off the chart for 30 months. And then after one month being in the Relax Sauna, her blood reports came back normal for the first time and her skin was no longer dry.

She lost 65% of her cellulite and her, you know, her skin radiated. She started glistening and glowing. And the Relax Sauna and all far infrared saunas, they’re always gonna help skin.

Your skin’s gonna look so much better. Always, always, always. Individual results are gonna vary.

Please explain a far infrared lamp or tent for glaucoma and SIBO. Honestly, Linda, I don’t really think that there’s a SIBO connection. I think that it helps your body with its immune system.

I think it helps to, you know, help with inflammation, which that can be a downstream effect from the cytokines. But let’s talk, anything for eyesight? Well, it’s gonna help the circulation, the macro circulation. It didn’t help me.

Well, I don’t know, it didn’t get worse. My eyesight’s improved slightly, but I never correlated the two. Like one person used the lamp on their eyes and their eyesight did return.

I’ve had two or three people say that, but I think that’s the rare situation. Don’t expect it, but if you get that, great. Does it help kidneys? It helps with micro circulation, everybody.

So, you know, in that way, if you have a kidney stone, it’s not gonna resolve your kidney stone. If you need a kidney transplant, it’s not gonna help with that. But it does help with the lymph and to get things moving.

And so I’m not, that’s a broad question. So I think I would just need a little more information. What is the small way- It should help purify every organ of the body, including the kidneys.

What’s the maximum temperature for both the silver and the black units? Well, it gets to 169, 170. Some people have said it gets to 175. People have tested every minute, but again, that’s too hot for most people.

Just unzip the zipper and be comfortable. You wanna be comfortable. And I mean, I’ve done that.

I’ve just unzipped the zipper. Oh yeah. And said, wow, I’m comfortable and I’m still sweating bullets, even though I’m not hot.

What is a small lamp most helpful for? Like why would someone get a small lamp, the lovely lamp versus the pup tent? Face pain, sore throat, menstrual cramps, Yeah, spots, different spots. Right. Does it help liver spots fade? Maybe.

I said earlier that the max temperature was 130. So I apologize. That was wrong.

I said it wrong. It’s the 170. Liver spots are the result of inflammation.

Yeah. And I know when one lady about 20 years ago was going over with this machine and she said, there’s inflammation and I had a liver spot there. And then I got it right then.

So, if you get rid of the inflammation, you’re gonna get rid of a lot of the liver spots. Interesting. Okay.

Guys, we have about nine minutes left. If you have any other questions, go ahead and put it into the Q&A box for me versus the chat. If you have been, so it’s 30 days money back guarantee, which I don’t usually talk about, but I’m glad you have that, Phil.

Look, if you’re curious, I would get it and try it and see how you like it. And like, give it a good college try, as they say. Don’t just like, you know, you’re gonna put up the effort to get it, get it delivered, all that jazz.

Use it. See if it makes a difference for you. I mean, that’s a very generous option right there.

But don’t just stare at the box. Get in it. And so you’re receiving the benefits.

You’re going to want the whole family to get in there. Not at the same time. You’re going to really, like when you go on vacation, you’re gonna be figuring out how to bring it with you because like you were saying, it fits in a 28 inch suitcase because it’s a beautiful healing modality that you can do at home.

I have friends that have joined gyms so they could go and be in their saunas there. And Linda was asking, I think it was Linda, like, well, like sanitation wise, I personally don’t ever go into saunas or steam rooms at gyms or spas. Not that I’m in a spa that often, but when I have been, I just am not comfortable with, I don’t know their cleaning protocols.

They could have the greatest cleaning protocols in the world, but one of their filters might be broken. So I just, I’ve worked in a moldy building for 20 years. I’m really not interested in getting re-exposed to anything because I’m doing so well.

So it’s just something where I like to control those types of environments as much as possible. So to be able to do it at home, to be able to go, you know what, I really wanna do a sauna or oh my gosh, I gotta, I don’t feel weird. I go do a sauna.

I ate something, the food was not quite right, I’ll go do a sauna. It’s just one of those things. And then I use my ozone machine, I’ll shoot it into the sauna and then I’m getting a whole body treatment and my skin has never been better.

And that’s a big statement because I’ve done a lot of skincare, a lot. I have, I just feel better in my body, my mind and my spirit than I have in a long, long, long, long, long, long time. And I was quite good.

It’s just a new level of wellness. And if you’re below zero, because I have been there, this helps you to navigate your way out of that below zero. Lime, mold, heavy metals, what else you got? Head pain, jaw pain, skin issues, inflammation.

Oh my gosh. People do it just for beauty treatments, right? This is like one of the best kept secrets for beauty treatments out there in the world. Hope you’re totally feel fantastic and you don’t have any health issues.

Great, it’s a gorgeous beauty treatment. So please, please, please seriously consider this. And then you are getting the, if you, we have six more minutes.

If you pick one up right now, in the next six minutes, you are getting the Dr. Kim Traeger masterclass that is $59 usually on, let me take it to the top, share. Here we go. Here she is, on the cause and answers to head, neck and jaw pain.

Covering not just the typical, but dental, sinus, face, fascia, lymph, glymph, brain pain. She covers it all. The Q&A was phenomenal.

She goes over different little exercises you can do. These are some of her slides and none of this is doing this class justice, by the way. It’s $59 day in, day out.

We sell these all the time to people because it’s so insidious if you have this pain. So that is included if you decided to pick it up right now. You send us your receipt to the email that Clarissa has been popping up there, info at sibosos.com. And that’s just like a bonus for the webinar only watchers.

If you are watching this after, it’s great. You’re still getting $150 off within the next week when you use code Shivan150. So there you go.

That is the most discount he does for anybody other than Black Friday, which obviously only happens once a year. So I would not wait thinking, oh, well, she’s gonna have a better discount. Nope, not happening.

The price is going up maybe July, August, September and certainly next year. Cause we haven’t raised the price in three years. Wow, okay.

By the way, if people have a $5,000 wooden sauna at home that takes 20 to 45 minutes to preheat and they don’t use it very often, we have sold hundreds, thousands of saunas to these kinds of people because Relax Sauna heats up, preheats in 10 to 40 seconds, not 10 to 40 minutes. It’s fast. Oh yeah, it’s fast.

David, can Phil elaborate on the cleaning cycle? I am too worried about mold. I currently am dealing with mold toxicity. I’ve never felt like, it’s mainly the steam rooms that really bother me, you guys.

It’s not really, you know, I’m like, why would I go to a sauna there when I have one at home? So you just, do you get those, don’t leave the towels in there, okay? Like you’re sitting on the towels on the chair. Soon as I’m out and I take my shower, those towels go into the washing machine. I don’t let them just sit there.

So, and you leave the machine on for five minutes after, which is something I didn’t know. I just like turned it off. So, and then I sprayed BrioTek on it.

I leave my towels on sometimes two, three days wet. I’ve never had a mold problem in the Relax Sauna in 20 years, 21 years. So the chair is included.

Yes. Yeah, it is included, Linda. Debbie, can you please repeat again the difference in the benefit between the black and the silver? The black sauna has the embroidered logo and looks beautiful and it’s perfect for a high-end spa.

It is twice as thick. It weighs six pounds instead of four pounds. So it does retain the heat a little bit better.

We’ve tested them both with the same radiator. They have the same radiator and we’ve gotten a little bit better results with the black tent sauna. And it does probably reflect the light a little bit better.

But if money is an issue, get the silver sauna. The black sauna does perform a little bit better. Most of our athletic baseball teams get the black sauna because it looks sharp and they want the best.

Okay. I have mine silver. I love it.

As you see, I have a silver. Yeah. Does being in a hot country or state do the same thing? I’m from Florida.

Trust me, it doesn’t do the same thing. But answer that if you will. Again, it’s raising body temperature.

See, you can run a marathon. You’re not rising. You can work out and get sweating like crazy, but the Lyme symptoms don’t go away.

But you go in the Relax Sauna and the Lyme symptoms go away because it’s the raising of body temperature. That’s the secret. By getting the exact frequency of light that causes your water molecules to vibrate, pulsate and hence increase your body temperature.

So the difference between buying it through our link and Amazon is number one. Thanks for the financial support. We really appreciate it.

Amazon charges tax. Amazon, okay. No shipping, but the tax is more than the shipping.

And there’s no discount. There’s no discount. It’s $150 when you use Shavon 150.

So that’s the difference. But plus, I really appreciate the financial support. Be financial, it supports your projects.

We do. Question, same question. How long to expect heavy metals removal with daily use? Karen, you don’t need to have your clothes off by the way, which is a funny thing to say, but it depends on how much heavy metals you have to begin with.

I mean, my face started to break out honestly after my third session. And I was like, oh great, it’s coming out. That was great.

That was me. How does ozone in the sauna make a difference? We have two ozone companies that sell ozone saunas and they use the Relax Sauna as their sauna of choice. And they’re really pleased with the results.

Ozone and the Relax Sauna is like Batman and Robin. They work very, very well together. So the return policy is 30 days.

Check it out on the site. So you can read all the details. Shirley, does it help with shoulder pain from tight muscles and ligaments? I will only speak for myself.

It has helped mine. Shirley, you gotta try it. Girl, you gotta try it.

It will get rid of 50% to 100% of your pain in five to seven minutes, guaranteed. Wow, okay. You take credit, care credit.

You don’t take care credit, do you? I don’t know what that is. Well, the answer is no, I didn’t think so. If someone has arteriosclerosis in their lower legs, is it safe to use FAR infrared sauna? I think it would be one of the most wonderful thing to use.

Also, if anyone has neuropathy, we have incredible results with neuropathy where people have feeling back. We have two vaccine injured nurses. One lady could not feel in her fingers and for the first time in two and a half years, she felt it and she cried.

And the other lady could not feel the circulation from her hip to her foot and she also cried. We also had a guy with sciatica pain for six and a half weeks, constant seven to eight pain. He went in for 15 minutes.

He sweated like crazy and he came out pain-free and he was crying and he was jumping up and down and said, look, look, no pain. And that was just five months ago, yeah. That’s amazing.

Guys, we’re at the end of the webinar. So let’s see, is there a $100 restock fee plus return for returns? I think so, my staff takes care of that. It’s a $1,500 item.

Yeah. So guys, can I get in the ozone body bag inside and lay down sauna and still be effective? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, Karen, for sure. I’m gonna wrap this up. Thanks everybody.

We really appreciate you. How does the ozone work? Go ahead and put the ozone webinar into the chat for you, Donna. So we just did an ozone webinar with one of the companies with Tobias Siegel.

Yeah, they sell the Relax Sauna also. And that’ll pull everything together. Let’s see, it’s not really… Oh, Julie, last one.

Has Phil studied the results from doing live cell blood analysis before and after use? Every time, it’s amazing the difference. The blood is always so much nicer. Robert O. Young is quite famous.

And he and his partner, or a lot of people, they do, Nick Delgado, they do it. They all have the Relax Sauna. You get into the Relax Sauna.

Not only can you jump higher, but the blood looks great. Yeah, all the time. All right, you know what, Phil? Clarissa needs to take a screenshot for us for the recording.

So are you ready, Clarissa? Thanks everybody for being here. Ready, okay, you ready? Three, two, one. Did you get it? Oh, my hair looks crazy, Clarissa.

Did you get it? Got it. That was a long time. Thanks, Phil.

Thanks, everybody. Thanks, I hope this is appealing to you. If it is a fit, I think it’s fantastic.

Thanks for the $150 off. If it’s not, that’s cool too. We’re glad we spent some time with you, and I know you have a lot to think about it.

But if you did wanna get the free masterclass that would normally be $59 about head and neck pain, then now’s the time. And we will just send your receipt to info at sibosos.com. And your proof of purchase. And throw some love into the chat for Phil.

Thanks, Phil. It was a pleasure. It was a joy.

You know, I like to tell people being in the Relax Sonnet feels like your grandma’s giving you a loving hug. You’re on a beach in Hawaii. You’re in the presence of a being giving you unconditional love or you’re basking in divine love.

It’s warm, loving light. And that’s the earmark of the Relax Sonnet. You really feel like you’re being hugged and loved.

That is beautiful. Okay, that’s beautiful. If you don’t have space in your home, Jen, for a sonnet, look at the one that’s the lie down version.

What’s the difference? I’m gonna take another minute and talk about that. What’s the difference between the lie down benefits and the… They’re exactly the same. There’s no difference between the benefits.

The lie down sonnet may take two or three, it may take 22 minutes to do a full sweat instead of 20 minutes. Okay. The price goes away in seven days.

The discount goes away in seven days. It’s that masterclass bonus that goes away basically in the next five minutes. Okay, so just answer.

Thank you. Okay, bye everybody. Ooh, that’s my email.

That’s a hot mess. Okay, take care, everyone. Thanks, Clarissa.

Thanks all. Thank you, it was wonderful. Wonderful, great to see you, sir.