That being for or against anything Exiles you from the God consciousness state. Now. I’ve softened it I say being for against anything locks you into duality and then exiles you from the God consciousness state because the secret in life as As we all know or eventually realizes to be in the present moment All right, guys, Philip Wilson here founder and president of Relax Saunas.

Thanks for coming on today Thank you. Yeah, actually, I’m the founder of relax on us of momentum. That’s the marketing company for the relax on nice Yes.

Yeah, you’re the mastermind then. Well, I’m a good communicator. I’ve been doing this for a long time I I had a an interesting experience in 1970 again in 71 and I I got tuned in Yeah, we’re gonna dive straight into it.

Huh? Let’s do it out of body experience in 1970. That’s right. That’s what happened to me Yeah, what sparked up? It was great.

What is that? What triggered that incident a trauma with a girlfriend finding another boyfriend and Realizing that he could actually fulfill her needs and I couldn’t yeah as well. And so I went through about two three days of being depressed. I wouldn’t call it depressed, but I was just like a zombie.

Yeah, and Then I had a realization that I needed to be get involved in music art and dance. Hmm three years later I looked back and it wasn’t a realization It was actually an out-of-body experience where they they they took me out of my body two or three beans and they showed me the overhang of about the size of six indoor handball courts and In a third of the portion women were doing dance the other third They were doing music and the other third they were doing art and they were saying you are so left-brained Having an honors degree in mathematics Hey You need to start feeling man. You need to start feeling, you know and so I had to pick myself up to buy the bootstraps and Start, you know I mean to me is like I thought the secret of life is all you had to feel Not realizing it’s the balance between feeling and thinking and and that’s that’s really exemplified very well in one of Herman Hesse’s books Narcissus and Goldman.

Hmm, and I read that book My first year of graduate school for about a month and a half and I’d be walking back to the classes and Always just just that’s that it consumed me Wow, and that’s that’s what life’s about It’s finding I was talking to a dancer friend of mine. I said, all you have to do is feel she said I don’t know I’ve been a feeler all my life. I think I need to think more And so one of my favorite sayings is actually it’s a Paul Twitchell quote He said thinking without feeling brings about woe like Hamlet a woe is me consternated and thought and Feeling without thinking brings grief.

Mm-hmm. And so, you know having Been almost sort of like violating that principle for my first 20-some years It is just it’s driven me another famous quote another one by Paul Twitchell is That being for or against anything Exiles you from the God consciousness state. No, I’ve softened it I say being for against anything locks you into duality and then exiles you into the God from the God consciousness state because The secret in life as as we all know or eventually realizes to be in the present moment Yeah present super important and it’s important to both have both feeling and logic Yes, exactly I was similar to you I live very logically yes, yes, I When did I do psychedelics? Yeah, probably like 20 years.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, I remember when I was teaching honors calculus as a as a undergraduate Indian University I remember one of the students one of the best students in the class He would just be gauging right here right through his third eye, you know That’s before I even knew what a third eye was Wow.

Yeah, that’s incredible. You were teaching honors calc Yeah, as a as a as a junior as a as a senior in in in college Yeah, I could not pass that. Well, I wasn’t I mean I was a TA for it.

Okay. Yeah, I couldn’t pass pre-calc, man I could not do it and I needed to pass that to get into the business school at Rutgers Yeah, and I just couldn’t pass so I failed out of college. Well could have been a good thing in disguise yes, like I was gonna be a PhD in math and then because of the out-of-body experience and because of the Kundalini awakening a year and a half later so we’re all my cells in my body were were like I mean, it’s sort of funny because when I go back to those days when I was meditating and and just all my cells were Vibrating I said, oh my gosh when I’m in the relax Shout out to today’s sponsor specialized recruiting group when your company has a position to fill are you really seeing the best candidates? Sure, you get plenty of resumes, but you may be missing an untapped resource ideal candidates who are not currently job searching People who are not actively looking but who may be open to the right opportunity It could be the difference between a good hire and a great hire Specialized recruiting group is ready to find the talent you need go to srgpros.com See how our recruitment specialists with the deep understanding of experience and expertise you need can find the right fit for your business After all you deserve to see the best candidates possible both active and passive Whether you’re looking for a contract or a direct hire specialized recruiting group is ready to find the talent you need So go to srgpros.com right now to get started.

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It took 10 years from 1987 to 1997 To create a certain Vibratory rate a certain frequency of light certain wavelength turns out it’s between 7 and 14 microns Hmm and it took him 10 years. They were they’re wanting to get Hot Springs energy in southern Japan where people would go to be healed yeah, and so they somehow and it took 10 years to figure out how to take electricity and have it to generate that same frequency of light Now after the fact that’s the same frequency that Dr. Yamasaki Toshiba Yamasaki She wrote a book called The science of firing for therapy and She says when you give the 7 to 14 micron frequency It vibrates the water Weakens the ionic bonds and helps release toxic poisonous gases and heavy metals out of the body Wow Yeah, and that’s what they figured out for the sauna Well, it’s sort of like I don’t know how how it all happened But we sent the Relax Sauna and two other portable saunas to Harvard MIT science and technology lab About six months ago. They came back and said the Relax Sauna the frequency they have, you know sophisticated measuring tools Was between 7 and 14 microns Whoa, and we sent it to Polytech University in LA about a year before same results for 30 60 minutes All between 7 and 14 that’s impressive and what was interesting is, you know, I’ve been saying for years Well, we have a hundred percent far and for Dre and the other saunas have 20 to 50 percent We don’t know they don’t tell you but the two other saunas we sent Came back.

The the frequency was one to six and In point nine five to one point three two. Yeah, it’s eight percent far infrared Ray on the $1,300 portable sauna And on the $250 Amazon hundred percent near but what was more important was, you know, first of all, we had one twelfth the EMF of the and 180th of the EMF of those two saunas But the the important data was we had three and a half times The penetration depth and intensity than the other sauna. Damn.

Four and a half times the Amazon. That’s impressive And so I’ve been going around now, I’m I’m just I say hey the Relax Sauna is a $20,000 sauna selling for $1,500 in 2025 it’ll be selling for 1,700. Mm-hmm, and it’s three times more potent than any $8,000 wooden sauce Whoa, that’s incredible.

And that’s because that light between 7 and 14 micron. That’s the magic frequency Where where it it penetrates and absorbed by the body because you don’t resist it because you are 9.4 microns you the water is 8 microns. So you can’t tell it’s not you So if you can’t tell it’s not you you don’t have your defenses up and it penetrates and absorbed.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yes I’m glad I’m talking to you because you got to do your research with saunas Like you see them at Costco or Amazon and you can’t just base it off the price, right? Well, you know every again when you get a B supplement or a zinc supplement or vitamin C you find out what’s the dose how many tablets? You know, what are the excipients and all that but but not all saunas are alike There’s a detox specialist in Las Vegas who had that $1,300 sauna.

She had the higher dose blanket Yeah, and they they left her depleted. Yeah when she got the Relax Sauna It left her revitalized and Detoxed even more so she just gave them away, you know, she gave away our sauna. Yeah, that’s hilarious Yeah, that’s that’s you know, it’s like you cut your losses.

Yeah, you brought some books with you. What’s going on with these? Oh, well, if this this is um, this one is is detoxify or die this this spawned the the fire infrared sauna industry Dr. Sherry Rogers was an environmental medical doctor. Mm-hmm, and she People with multi-chemical sensitivity and Environmental concerns were left to dead by the medical establishment and she got them all Healthy by using far infrared saunas in the 1990s Wow far infrared So what makes that one so much better than the other forms of light? I guess well, she calls the the far infrared sauna the superior sauna see because the the not and this guy dr.

Bill Ackman are he’s a He’s a cancer doctor an acupuncturist a qigong master. He has a center of spiritual healing in in New York he uses ozone He’s amazing and he’s been using the Relax Sauna for about 10-15 years nice And he’s been promoting it and he says this sauna creates more heat shock proteins than any other sauna by far and he Has talks about the history of saunas they’ve been using whether the Finns were using it or the the Greek baths to the Turks the Amazon Indians the American Indians every culture has found a way to raise body temperature a little bit and Hippocrates the Greek guy the father of modern medicine He said find me a way to create fever and sweat and I will cure any disease Well, so, you know, it’s like, you know again people have no clue I got a degree in math and my book forthcoming is called pictures of the mind Freeing yourself from beliefs that no longer serve you and so I’m aware of pictures and when people think of a sauna They think of a wooden sauna. They don’t think of a portable sauna where your head sticks out like this And that’s what the relax ones are it? Yes This is a portable sauna and and people like Rebecca Harder I didn’t bring her book as it’s called Gastro girl healing the world one colon at a time and she said that for 10 years She’d go by the the shows when we were having booths every year and she just turned her nose and say well I have a wooden sauna.

This certainly couldn’t do it that what my sauna does, right? So it’s like my cell phone couldn’t certainly do what a desktop Computer did 10 years ago. It’s like people just they just don’t understand and that’s okay And so I’m I’m an educator. That’s that’s what I do.

It’s it’s my it’s my fun Because I’m always challenged and you know, I you know, it’s funny whenever I talk to people and I’ve put probably 150,000 people in the sauna at since for the last 22 years at about 500 Professional and consumer shows and I’ve seen about 30,000 minor or major miracles Whoa, and I never what I’m I never know what I’m gonna say because I I insist on being in the present moment So that I can say what they need to hear that to make a change or so their life can be transformed Now we all know that the Relax Sauna will transform any house into a home Because where there’s a home there’s a hearth a place of warmth. Yep. You could put in an apartment with this one You can’t do that with a wooden one.

No be tough You know, we had a massage therapist from Dallas call me and said hey my landlord won’t we won’t let me have saunas I said hey the Relax Sauna is not a sauna Prairie dogs not a dog You know, I I heard that if you if you call it koala bear a bear in Australia, they’ll actually lynch you what? No, that’s kidding. I’m just joking Damn but they’re offended. Yeah, although I don’t believe in being offended I don’t I don’t try to let my emotions control how I react.

Yeah, I quit doing that I quit being embarrassed those things are long gone Yeah, you experience them and you get the lessons and you finally realize that it’s it’s not very Doesn’t matter as much as you think no Pythagoras talked about the law of efficiency, you know, he’s one of my heroes He was a great he was the father of modern mathematics, but he was also a spiritual teacher Hmm, you know, you know what they called him what they call him. They called him the son of Apollo son of Apollo Wow, you know what? That’s like that’s like calling him the son of God. Yeah high expectations.

Yeah, that that’s how he was revered In in ancient Greece when he was teaching and he divided mathematics into four four categories numbers in motion numbers at rest figures in motion figures at rest Numbers and rest it’s called number theory. Yeah figures at rest geometry figures in motion is called stereometry or astrology and astronomy hmm and Numbers in motion is called harmony or music Wow. Yeah, so he invented all four of us Well, I don’t know if he invented but yeah He also did a musical scale and everything and it was a spiritual practice and he called it the music of the Spears So when you meditated you could actually hear the inner sound and that’s how you travel back into the heart of Creation on the sound and the light is for you so you can see that’s fast what’s going on That’s the mental understanding but it’s a sound if you travel on Damn, so you’ve studied a lot of history a lot of well, you know I I was having all these out-of-body experiences and all these while meditating and so is that astral projection your experience? No, no, it’s not you just get into the present moment and see, you know Reincarnation is a very clumsy way of saying everything’s happening at the same time Hmm So if you get in the present moment Wherever you want to be if you want to be in 1906 at the at the San Francisco fire You just you just put your attention there and there you are See that there is no time in space.

That’s one of my mantras whenever I get all messed up. Okay, there’s no time in space You know here I am and so but This is so I’ve been you know basically Every moment of my life focusing on being in the present moment because there’s nowhere else that you really can be and So, you know, this is just what I do and I just pretend I’m a merchant Because it’s it’s the way I you know make my way in the world I have to make sure that the body gets fed and have I have it housed But I’m not I’m not this body. I’m just in the body, you know as a you know, you we need a clay shell to Communicate with that’s that’s the law of this world.

Hmm. So I use this body to communicate and I just make sure I have fun That’s fascinating. Yeah.

Yeah, you can’t live in the past can’t live in the future No, there only is the present moment And and so it’s it’s it’s it’s fun talking to you because you understand my language because you yourself have had experiences That that are similar to what I’m talking about. Oh, yeah That’s why we can relate I used to have bad anxiety and I realized I was living in the past too much You know, I was thinking about old memories that were irrelevant. So yeah, I would have terrible anxiety.

They put me on Xanax Yeah, terrible, right? Well, you know I had when I had that kundalini awakening I Ate meat three days later a steak and and it’s like oh my god I was like I could not it took me about seven hours of meditating. I felt like I was on Thorazine or something I’ve never been on Thorazine, but I’ve seen people on it. Mm-hmm and so that that was one of the experience and then I was doing these yoga exercises way back and I think that was 71 and Then then I had a whole lot of other experiences.

I’ve been very blessed have many dreams And I’m actually, you know, sometimes you get out of sorts the last couple years I’ve been out of sorts, but I’m I’m just now getting back in tune and having good meditations again You just have to just have to accept it and honor what’s going on. And then when you honor it it passes Mm-hmm your steak affected your meditation though. Oh at that time.

No, it didn’t affect the meditation I had to meditate to feel to be able to feel to feel alive Wow Then three days later had some ham the same thing happened So so I just had to change my whole diet and it was like for I was basically this is wait I mean, you know, it’s just what I needed to do I was living on dates cashews and figs as about 80% of my diet about nine months Oh, so now you’re back to eating meat. Yeah, that was like 71. Okay.

Yeah, I can eat anything now I was a vegetarian for a long long time and now, you know I can eat fish or chicken or you know, I eat steak about once a year Pig about it’s every three years, you know, I I you know, whatever I do. I’m willing to pay the consequences Yeah pigs a tough one. I feel like a lot of the like the way they’re raised matters, right? Yeah So with pigs, it’s it’s tough to have a good quality pig well, it’s just you know, sometimes, you know, I Realized all these years that the it’s a pleasure principle if the if the pain of doing something Finally is more than the pleasure.

That’s when and only when I stop doing it. Mm-hmm It’s like, you know, that’s you know, I think everyone checks this out. It’s pretty much true Yeah, you know, but at the same time the the true suker is when you can be in the present moment and you can feel Totally free and then and then when you’re totally free you can you can truly love And this is why I love the Relax Sauna now when you go out into the Sun on a hot day And you in that searing Sun you close your eyes and it goes through your clothes to the bone that feeling you have That’s a nice feeling huh? Yeah, that’s what it feels like being in the Relax Sauna Because we give you only 100% of the fire infrared light that resonates with the water and your body And that’s the difference like we were talking about different supplements You know, they’re all like the detox lady was saying all sup all saunas are different They all have different doses and no one even thinks of looking, you know, they never think of saying well What frequency is the light and then and then people are going around saying well full-spectrum that sounds pretty impressive because I used to I studied John Ott and He had a he wrote a book health and light and There was a situation where you know in a fourth grade class for the kids had come down with leukemia Hmm and they were what what’s going on? It turned out the teacher would close the blinds every day or the drapes and they wouldn’t get any real sunlight so they only had the fluorescent light and so, you know, I I’ve been selling in my health food store that I opened in 1980 Because I couldn’t do math anymore because after that experience I when you when you experience a form of reality that I experienced Doing math is like mundane You know, it’s like they’re greater problems.

Like when I’m meditating, you know, just problems get solved Yeah, that was my specialty as as a in high school. I was published Solving problems in National High School magazine. Yeah, you were number two in the state of Indiana number number Four number three number two.

Yes credit to in college number four number three in high school Wow. Yeah Yes, you were on pace to be one of the top mathematicians in the world I went to a summer program in mathematics at University of Illinois with 33 gifted math students that was my trajectory and it all got waylaid and And you know and when I lost interest in math, I said Damn I wasted ten years of my life doing math. Mm-hmm.

And then so I had to read about Bertrand Russell I read about Lewis Carroll and I had and I read about Pythagoras I had to do all this studying to and here’s what was the clincher? Socrates said there’s a purification of soul that occurs when you do mathematics. Mm-hmm Yeah, and so I I finally accepted the fact that I did not waste ten years of my life Okay, and and and in the you know in the learning of mathematics, I I gained a lot of experiences and And I I applied those mathematical solving problem-solving to problems. We all have in our everyday life Yeah, yeah.

Well, I think everything happens for a reason I was addicted to video games growing up as a kid most parents would say that’s terrible for you But I learned a lot from it. That’s right, you know, absolutely Then that’s that’s what you know, I a couple years ago I realized that you know you utter you don’t just honor your mother and father you honor everyone and That and that means you’re not judging them and the worst thing we can do is to judge people you know because when you judge someone what let judgy not lest you be judged and I and I discovered the antidote of judging Hmm. Yeah, I tried my best not to do it.

I used to do it a lot Yeah, I think it’s common to do it growing up. Well, it’s like it’s like a light switch You turn it off and you turn on observation you observe which comes from the word sir So when you’re observing a sunset, you don’t say the purple should go with the oranges, you know You just appreciate it, right? And so there’s that there’s a dark lining I discovered in every judgment that distinguishes it from an observation. Mm-hmm.

It’s called the complaint Yeah, that’s that’s in that Yes, so this this is what I do and on the side I promote the Relax Sauna because When people get in the Relax Sauna, I’m at shows all the time and about 20 years ago two young women in their 20s One said and then an hour later the other lady said the same exact thing. Oh my gosh I feel like I’m being hugged by my loving grandma. Mm-hmm.

And and then the two hours later There’s another lady said the same thing And Today I have a cough. Okay, that’s just part of what I have to experience and accept, you know And so it’s getting in my way a little bit, but I’m not letting it bother me. Mm-hmm, but I’m not I’m normally not like this just so the audience knows a great mindset to have though The what great mindset to have though.

Yeah, I appreciate that and so the The the far infrared light and When you’re in the Relax Sauna, it’s only fitting that it feels like your grandma’s giving you a loving hug You’re in the presence of a qigong master a great spiritual being giving you unconditional love You’re in a beach in Hawaii or you’re basking in divine love and that’s and those all four things have in common unconditional love Which means that the energy that you’re experiencing in the Relax Sauna now the Relax Sauna is different than any other sauna because they don’t have carbon panels or or that Can’t even I can’t even think of ceramic something or other They have computer chips semiconductor chips and The we have a double radiator not panels and see this is a twenty thousand dollar sauna selling for fifteen hundred dollars I can do what I Mean I say it’s more powerful than than any wooden sauna. There are all saunas are gonna be good. You know if you Live five miles from a grocery store.

Somebody gives you a bicycle. You’re excited. You’re telling everyone Yeah, when you get a Mercedes, you can actually take the groceries back You know, so everything has its value And you don’t want to be for or against anything, you know Everything is a lesson that gets you to where you are now agreed.

So with this one your head sticks out, right? So your head you feel like the head needs to be detoxed to though. Well, it does because the blood Circulates all over the body now. I I mean you’re sort of tall.

Yeah, but even though you’re tall You can duck your head. Okay, and and I put my head in about 50% 60% of the time Sometimes, you know for 30 for 25 straight minutes got it other times. I don’t want to sometimes I meditate Sometimes I’m on my cell phone checking my my texts.

Hmm you know, so but but it’s like when I put people in conferences and I mean This one Plastic surgeon, you know, he was just raving about it because it’s my gosh I can put people in while they’re doing IV therapy I can put people in before they get a any kind of massage therapy But he said when he came out He said my gosh my shoulder doesn’t hurt anymore and And if I mean I’d be rich if I had a dime for every person who said my pain went away And so I’ve got two things I say to people before they go into the sauna at conferences Or this is how I get them in. These are my my my claws or whatever my hooks I say it feels like your grandma’s giving me a loving hug Mmm, I get half of them in that way and the other and other people don’t budge. So I say well guaranteed 50% 100% of your pain Without sweating five to seven minutes with your clothes on will be gone every time every time Wow And so people who are not going to go in Because they’re they’re sitting there in pain, but they’re not letting anyone know Because you know, I’m surprised how many people have pain it’s common these days.

Yeah inflammation. Yeah, right exactly inflammation so when people go in All of a sudden I mean miracles after miracle after miracle. Yeah, we sold like 20 saunas this weekend at the Day for I’m Jean long.

I didn’t even see your booth there. We were in the 904 one. Oh, you’re in the 900 Yeah, there were 700 booths.

Yes, it took me like four hours just get half of it You know, I forgot the contact just said hey, do you need a ticket? We’re here and I but anyway, I saw Charlie Oh, no, you know and this friend of mine says hey, you know, this guy’s pretty impressive go talk to him And he’s wearing your t-shirt. I said, hey, I’m being interviewed tomorrow at What a type two o’clock small world. Yeah, so we had a good connection said boy that sauna was amazing I love it, but but we have about you know, 900 Testimonials on YouTube you put in Relax Sauna testimonials and a lot of them come up.

I saw those Yes, when I was doing research for this episode, I couldn’t stop scrolling It was so many testimonials you had all sorts back pain arthritis weight loss improving digestion Yeah, all sorts of testimonials. Yeah, and and at about a hundred of those are people like I got a guy from Louisville He said hey, we’ve been using your sauna for 20 years. You know, there’s no sauna like it The Relax Sauna is by far, you know, and then so can I do an interview? He gave me a 30-second interview.

Yeah And this happens all the time. Dr. Billika was there He gave me a third interview We met him at a cancer conference about 15 years ago on Thursday night before the show started He was in his gym clothes doing a 25-minute sweat and when he got out said we’re gonna sell this on an hour