Hi, I’m Shivan Sarna, and I’m the founder of Chronic Condition Rescue. This is a foundation of a platform that platforms I’ve built about lymph and fascia and SIBO, small intestine bacterial overgrowth and gut health and biological dentistry and alopecia and a variety of other topics. There were a lot of things wrong with me after being in a moldy building for so long and I wanted to figure it out and then I made a vow to help other people figure it out.

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Stick with us and window shop and also just spend some time getting high quality information that hopefully will lead to transformation. All right, my special guest today is Phil Wilson. He is the OG when it comes to educating the public about saunas and special light technology and wavelengths and I’m not gonna talk anymore.

I’m gonna hand things right over to Phil and then we will take your questions at the end. Please put them in the Q&A box and refrain from chatting during the presentation so we can really focus. All right, Phil, thank you so much, let’s go.

Okay, the title of this presentation is Cellular Rejuvenation with Far-Infrared Saunas and what we’re doing is we’re giving you the exact frequency of water and that’s crucial because water is a far-infrared molecule and we as humans, mammals and birds are all far-infrared light beings and we shine far-infrared light. So here’s a little history about me. I was sort of like a child prodigy in mathematics as a grade schooler, sixth grade, et cetera, fourth grade and then I had an out-of-body experience in 1970 and an energetic spinal release in 1971 and that propelled me into where mathematics no longer, the peak experiences in math no longer were satisfying compared to the understanding of myself and how the body worked and how my creativity worked which was part of my mathematics.

So I got into fasting and in 1971, I had no choice in a sense that because whenever I ate something that was heavy like meat or eggs or bread, it just clouded my vision and I couldn’t see. So anyway, I eventually opened up a health food store in 1980 and we were distributing massage tools, acupuncture supplies, magnets, color therapy glasses, all sorts of weird things in Chinese herbal formulas. For example, in 1980, we were selling medicinal mushrooms in 1984, green powders and Chinese herbal combinations, 1986 essential oils, 1988 oxygen products all like unique kind of products to health food stores because the main distributors weren’t selling them because they weren’t that popular.

So anyway, the pinnacle of all products that I’ve ever sold period since 1973 would be the Relax Sauna. It helps you get into the present moment and once you get into the present moment, that’s the magic of how all the energies of life work so that you can optimally, your body works optimally, your mind. It’s a good thing to get into the present moment because then you’re in tune with your inner self or the divine.

What is fire-infrared energy? Well, fire-infrared light comes from the sun and I understand about 40 to 50% of the light from the sun is near-infrared. We get lots and lots of near-infrared from the sun. We don’t need a specific near-infrared.

Near-infrared is when you go into the washrooms and you put your hand out and the paper towel comes out or the water comes out or the soap comes out or the TV remote, that’s all near-infrared but we’re dealing with fire-infrared which is the title of the book, Detoxify or Die by Dr. Sherry Rogers which spawned the fire-infrared light industry. And I know there’s a lot of confusion about so-called full-spectrum infrared saunas and near-infrared saunas and I expect to make it very, very clear the difference in the importance of the fire-infrared light because you are a fire-infrared light energy source and water is a fire-infrared molecule. We are fire-infrared light beings and fire-infrared light from four to 14 is the secret.

Actually, seven to 14 is even closer. A fire-infrared light comes from the sun, this is stuff that they ought to, I don’t like the word should or ought but in a perfect world, they would teach you about this in seventh grade that fire-infrared light is a light and it travels at the speed of light, it goes through clothes, it’s reflected by mirrors even though, and when you go into the Relax Sauna for example, you can feel the silver from the back reflecting the light at the lower back and the whole back. Fire-infrared is responsible for photosynthesis.

All mammals generate fire-infrared ray as, and we’re mammals, when you hug someone that generates fire-infrared ray and when in the hospital if a little baby is born premature, they shine fire-infrared light on them and my ex-wife used to say, I don’t know why they quit when the baby’s healthy, this is what should become in practice, it’s like introducing yourself to the new world that you’re in, you’re birthed into, fire-infrared light is like the closest you can get almost to divine love as I’ve experienced and I’m expressing here in this presentation. And one of the big breakthroughs in 1960, the world started becoming a lot more toxic and as it became more toxic, the old infrared saunas, the ones with rocks, I’m not the infrared, but the old Finnish saunas, the one with rocks and there’s a book called No Sweat, No Sweat from Dr. Bill Akbenar’s history of sweating and the Greek physicians used to call the doctors were called warmers, their purpose was to warm your body and I’ll go into that later, but fire-infrared light does teach us how to heal ourselves and that’s very, very important, it increases body temperature by resonating with the water molecules. And as I said, it is responsible for photosynthesis and this is Dr. Gerald Pollack wrote the book, Fourth Phase of Water and he talked about how the infrared light will increase the easy zone water, the fourth phase of water more than any other light and this is something that they actually discovered in their laboratory.

We talked to him recently and we said, well, what infrared light? He says, we only go up to five. And why is that? Because we don’t know how he gets higher than five. Well, now he does and we’re working with him to do some research to show that the seven to 14 actually does it even better.

A lot of people wonder how turtle eggs hatch. Well, the fire-infrared light goes through the sand and resonates with the water and the turtle eggs activating the embryo to grow into a turtle and not many people have thought about this. So what does fire-infrared saunas do? What can they do? Well, Hippocrates pointed out, he was the father of modern medicine, that if you can find me a way to create fever in your body and sweat, I think they were the same Greek word, then I will cure any disease.

That’s profound. That’s very profound. And that’s something that a person can contemplate on and say, okay, if this is true, then what are all the implications of that? Well, basically if you study the research on pubmed.com, what does having a fever do? Which is increasing body temperature.

Five main things. It mobilized the lymphatic system, which is the immune system to get the toxins out of the body. I’ll go into detail a little later on this.

It increases the circulation and the microcirculation. Actually, it lowers blood pressure and gets rid of inflammation and pain. It oxygenates the cell, giving greater absorption.

And when you have more oxygen in the cell, when you flood your body with oxygen, you actually get rid of anaerobic bacteria and parasites. We did some testing in Detroit. The RELAX sauna actually increased muscle oxygen 45%.

Now, infrared saunas can do this, but I don’t think any other sauna can do it more than 20%. And I’ll go into more of the technology of the RELAX sauna, why it can do that. The most important part, I believe, well, they’re all important, but they’re all part of the whole catharsis, the whole shebang, you can say.

It activates the parasympathetic nervous system. RELAX sauna, because it gives you 100% fire in front, does this significantly more than any other sauna. But when you can get in the present moment where there’s no time and space, you’re in a pretty nice so-called space because my quasi-definition of pain is the awareness of time.

Have you ever hurried? Have you ever scurried? Have you ever worried? Have you ever waited? All those are painful activities. And when you’re in the parasympathetic mode, you’re not in flight and fight, so the mind’s not getting in your way, and that’s when true healing takes place. And then when you’re super relaxed and the nervous energy is gone, then your cells, the mitochondria, can actually create ATP and nitric oxide.

So the healing power of fever, I mean, that’s the name of a book. It sounds like a great name of a book. And written by Christopher Vassi, it burns away and eliminates toxins.

It stimulates the immune system and accelerates the transportation of the lymphocytes to the macrophages, to the site of infection, and eats it all up like Pac-Man. The healing power of fever. Fever is basically inflammation that’s spread throughout the lymphatic system.

They can be broken through sweating. Now, when I was a little kid, age 10, 11, how many times did I wake up on the third day of a flu? Oh my gosh, totally sweating in bed and feeling great. The fire of fever.

And again, we want to keep it at a certain temperature. There’s a hospital in Germany called St. George Hospital. It’s a hyperthermia hospital.

They get your body to 104, 105, kills everything, kills the parasites, kills all the gunk, gets the body working, and then they have specific equipment which doesn’t let it to get to 107, 108 because then the body dies. So it burns the dross of accumulated toxins. It’s what you want to do.

And relax sauna, by the way, does this very, very well. So this is a book written about the real purpose of far-infant saunas is hyperthermia is known as the fourth cure for cancer. But we know that poison, burning, and cutting are not cures.

So in a sense that leaves us with one really cure of cancer but we can’t use the word cure. And that’s why if Hippocrates stepped onto American soil and said what he said about find me a way to create fever and I can cure disease, they’d shackle him and put him in jail because you’re not allowed to cure. I think we can cure beef, but not cancer.

Sorry about that. That’s just the world we live in. And that’s the parameters that we have to work with in order to weave our way into a much nicer state of health.

Now, Dr. Paul Anderson, he is one of the people who has used and purchased the relax sauna from us. And his lab assistant told us that her staff that they can increase body temperature 4.2 degrees in one hour while doing vitamin C IV therapy. He said the relax sauna works well to get into that level of hyper therapeutic hyperthermia even though it’s only a sauna treatment.

This is not normal, okay? And he says, we have gotten people definitely in the 101.5, 101.9 fever range, again, which is really quite hot for a sauna. So the relax sauna is actually more different than a regular infrared sauna than the infrared saunas are from the finished saunas. So we’ll talk about that later.

What does far infrared energy really do? Well, water is a far infrared molecule and it generates eight microns of light. I mentioned that we humans, mammals and birds are far infrared light beings and generate 9.4 micron. Now the far infrared energy causes the water molecules to vibrate and spin.

And what this does according to Dr. Yamasaki of Japan in her book, the book is called the science of far infrared therapy. And she says that the vibration from seven to 14 microns only will cause the water molecule to vibrate. And when the water molecule vibrates, this causes the encapsulated poisonous gases to be released because the far infrared energy actually structures the water.

A lot of people don’t know this, that the far infrared actually structures water. And Dr. Yamasaki also mentions in her book that far infrared energy actually antidotes not only sunburn, but dangerous EMF microwave vibration rate. Now the pulsation between your hands is far infrared ray.

It generates oxygen in the body. Far infrared energy stands alone as a Healy device and they’re really not saunas. It increases circulation.

It increases the core body temperature. And we talked about what this does. Now, here’s an example of the far infrared.

It goes through and resonates with the water molecules, stimulating then the water molecules rays. By the way, the far infrared energy penetrates about 30, 40 to 50 millimeters. And on the other hand, near infrared penetrates one to two millimeters only.

The near infrared laser is a different animal, but there’s no near infrared laser in any of the saunas. They’re just near infrared energy. Now, when you bathe in the healing light of far infrared ray, you get rid of heavy metals.

It antidotes EMF. It helps with asthma, autism. We go to autism conferences.

In the last 40 years, I’ve been to… In 2020, in 2002, I started promoting the Relax Sauna. And we have been to about 500 professional conferences over the years. And I’ve put over 150,000 people in the Relax Sauna.

And I’ve seen about 30,000 minor or major miracles. We go to Lyme conferences, cancer conferences, autism conferences. And we have a lot of fun because it’s amazing to see the results, even after five to seven minutes, which is impossible to do for the other saunas because they take 10 to 20 to 30 minutes to preheat.

The Mayo Clinic discourages heart patients from using finished saunas or hot tubs because the heart has to race to maintain an equilibrium. But they recommend far infrared saunas. This was in 2004, because the heart does not have to race to maintain an equilibrium between the inside and the outside temperature of the body.

Now, I like to say a far infrared sauna is not a sauna. And we know that a prairie dog is not a dog. Even a hot dog is not a dog, but a sea lion is not a lion, a seahorse is not a horse.

And if you call a koala bear a bear in Australia, I hear that they’ll lynch you, okay? Again, I talked about Dr. Sherry Rogers. This is the book that spawned the whole far infrared energy. On page 208, she says that far infrared rays between four and 14 microns are the safest and most vital rays to health and healing.

They are the ones that are responsible, okay? Near-infrared is from 0.76 to two microns. Mid-infrared is from two to four microns. This is as expertise as you can get, okay? Near-infrared is good.

Lasers are an incredible device. Red light therapy is a great device. Hyperbaric oxygen chambers is great.

Ozone is great. They’re all great. Microcurrent technology and PEMF technology are good.

We were at a booth and this lady was selling microcurrent technology, sent her partner over the Relax Sauna and said, oh my God, this is amazing. She had had cancer four years earlier and all her body was restructuring itself to get to a state of healing. And she said, this will complete what we’re doing.

This will augment. There’s people who sell the EE system in San Francisco area. And they, after they do the EE system, then they go in the Relax Sauna.

And one lady, she was really exhausted, but healthy. And then after she did the Relax Sauna, that put her in the space that she wanted to be in. So the Relax Sauna or far infrared saunas will augment any other energy medicine technology.

And Dr. Sherry Rogers says, even our bodies radiate far infrared energy, which I mentioned earlier, mostly around 9.4 microns. The book by Dr. Bill Akbenar, this is where he quotes Dr. Toshiko Yamazaki. It’s the seven to 14 micron because we have encapsulated gases that are held in place by the clusters of water.

And then when you get the water molecule to vibrate again, they dissolve and you get them out of the body. Okay, this is my company Relax Saunas momentum. We started promoting the Relax Sauna in 2002.

The history of the Relax Sauna, it’s made in Taiwan. It was an electrical company and the Japanese government asked them if they can create an energy like the hot springs in Southern Japan. And it took Dr. Chang and team of scientists 10 years to be able to do this.

And they created a semiconductor chip. Now the semiconductor chips, 94% of the world’s semiconductor chips are made in Taiwan. And when during COVID, they had the problem with the cars because they needed the semiconductor chips for the cars.

It’s a technology which basically, prior to the Relax Sauna inventing or creating the semiconductor chip that gives you 100% purifying for ray actually between seven and 14 microns, Planck’s law says this is impossible, not knowing about computer technology of what it can do. Now that we have computer technology, Planck’s law is not totally exactly correct. And it is an extraordinary technology.

And you can see the semiconductor chips in the Relax Sauna radiator and in the Relax Sauna table lamp on the left. These are the five products that the Relax Sauna company in Taiwan makes. You have a black tent sauna, silver tent sauna, the same radiator.

And then you have the same radiator but a different style of it in the relaxed lie down sauna. And you have the same radiator in the SkyEye medical device that is a medical device. The radiator of the Relax Sauna has been registered with the FDA as a medical device.

These are the semiconductor chips and you can see the size of them by having the nickel, the dime and the penny. I think 20 years, little kids will ask their parents what a dime is, but right now most kids know, not that it matters. Okay, so the difference between the Relax Sauna double radiator and the emitters used in other portable saunas is this is a temperature controlled semiconductor chip.

And so on the Relax Sauna, we only have a timer, not a temperature control because it’s automatic. And there’s 40 pieces of this high-tech equipment that keeps the temperature within a comfortable range according to the program. But more importantly, we’re always generating the fire and red ray energy.

When the other saunas turn off because it’s too hot, they quit generating the fire and red energy. And so it’s not constant. And that’s why people say when they get in the Relax Sauna, there’s a, it’s a uniform.

They feel the same energy over where because you have to sit in front of the panels when you go into an infrared sauna. And if you’re not, if you’re sitting in front of a window, you’re not getting the light because fire and red is a light and cats lie in the sun, not in the shade. Okay, so what makes the Relax Sauna so special? And this is crucial.

We say experience the difference, feel the momentum. And when we go to conferences, oh my God, I mean, so many people who have had other portable saunas or wooden saunas go in the Relax Sauna and they are impressed, very, very impressed with the difference in how quickly they feel good and how quickly, sometimes miraculously their pain goes away. We say that 50% to 100% of your pain guaranteed will be gone in five to seven minutes without sweating with your clothes on in the Relax Sauna with no preheating.

And that’s pretty claim to make, but it’s 99% accurate. This is the, it took the Relax Sauna company 10 years from 1987 to 1997 to create the semiconductor chip and to invent the Relax Sauna. Bill, before you move on, I just want to point something out.

See the right-hand side of the slide. Can you go back one slide? Yes. By the way, we put the links in the chat.

It’s 10% off with Chavon10. This is the best deal other than Black Friday. So he only does this deal that’s even better one time a year.

And this is the most you can get off until November. But see these, not the ones with the money but the other one, that goes inside the tent. I call it the pup tent.

So just so you know, if you’re like, hey, that doesn’t look like a sauna. Those are the semiconductors. Those go inside it.

And so you literally see that on the floor of your sauna. Okay, thanks. Thanks, Bill.

Just wanted to explain that. And it’s facing you. It’s facing the chair.

It radiates the heat or the light. It radiates the light. And then it’s reflected by the tent, the cell, the tent.

I mean, it’s like, well, it’s invisible but it’s still reflected by a mirror. Yeah, why not? Okay, so it’s light energy, not heat. And I know after having to relax on it for 15 years and after 22 minutes, I’m sweating bullets and I’m getting too hot.

But the only way to stay in there is to either get into a nice meditational state or move my body. And finally, I realized all I have to do is unzip the zipper eight inches. All the heat was let out and poof, I could stay another eight minutes because the timer’s a 30 minute timer.

That’s how a lot of men, maybe women too, kind of work. You know, it says 30 minutes, we want to go 30 minutes but it’s not necessary. And if you do and you’re too hot, you just unzip the zipper.

I call it our sophisticated temperature control device. And it’s digital because you use your fingers to move the zipper up and down. Okay, now we did some research, okay? We sent the Relax Sauna to Polytechnic University in LA in 2023 and they have a barometer that measures the exact frequency every minute.

And as you can see from the chart on the left, the Relax Sauna energy is seven to 14 microns for the first 60 minutes. And since water’s eight and the human energy is 9.4, it’s going to resonate, that’s what we want. That’s what Dr. Toshiba Yamasaki wants.

Okay, now we sent it also to Harvard. Not only did we send the Relax Sauna to Harvard but we sent a $1,200 portable sauna selling for about 1,200 on the internet, notice claiming their full spectrum. And we sent that to Harvard and we sent an Amazon sauna, about a $300 Amazon sauna we sent to them.

And they measured that the Relax Sauna was seven to 14 microns all the time. And however, the range of the full spectrum infrared sauna, which is simply an infrared sauna, there’s no difference. It’s just a made up term that was invented after people talked about how important near infrared ray was, which is sort of like confusing and has a lot of disinformation in it.

But this $1,200 portable sauna, the range was 1.2 to six microns. None of it is in the specific range from seven to 14 microns that resonates with the water. 8% was between four and seven microns.

We were shocked that Amazon sauna turned out to be 100% near infrared. And you can see on the left, the measurements from 950 nanometers, which is 0.95 microns to 1.32 microns. So that’s why they don’t do what the Relax Sauna does.

And when you look at the power intensity, the yellow in the fifth column, the Relax Sauna was three and a half times more powerful, more intense, more effective, you could say, than the $1,200 portable sauna and about four and a half times more powerful than the Amazon sauna. This is the spectral analysis. It says it’s understanding the wavelength and composition.

See, basically the wavelength between seven and 14 microns is the active ingredient. It’s what causes the sauna to be effective just like curcumin is the active ingredient in turmeric. Hey, Phil, can you go back and talk about EMFs? Because I know that was on your thing, the Harvard study.

Okay. Oh, that’s coming right now. Okay, okay.

Yes. Next. The power density is the effectiveness, the power of a sauna.

And here’s the EMF radiation. I mean, it’s funny because that $1,200 portable sauna promotes itself as a low EMF. And frankly, it is low EMF.

It’s from 2.4 to 8.7 milligauss. The Amazon sauna was 22.4 to 36.9. And the Relax Sauna was 0.17 to 0.9. Actually, these EMF radiations are sort of backwards. So we had one 10th the EMF of the supposedly low EMF sauna.

Now, however, Peter Radotti, I interviewed him and he bought a sauna from me 16 years ago and he says it’s still working. He’s into radionics. And he says that the cell phone that I carry, the cell phone and the Wi-Fi in the building we’re in are 100 times more dangerous than the EMF of any household appliance.

Now, the city of San Diego produced an EMF chart of all the most common, 21 most common household appliances. When you stick the Relax Sauna in there, we were third lowest in EMF at 12 inches from the source and seventh lowest at one inch from the source. We have four people who go into houses to make them safe EMF wise.

And they all have Relax Saunas in their homes. So if they have a Relax Sauna in their home, obviously there’s no danger EMF wise. Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt, who is one of the people most recognized as introducing the dangers of microwave EMF to the world, uses the Relax Sauna and his partner went up to the hotel room in Chicago at the, or I’m not sure if it’s Chicago, but at an autism conference and took the Relax Sauna up to the hotel room and her elbow pain she’d had for a year, gone, gone in one session Relax Sauna.

And they have the technology of 20, 30 different energy medicine technologies and none of them could take care of that. So the Relax Sauna is special, very, very special. Did I cover that okay, Shivan? Yes, sir.

Yes, sir. That was great. Okay.

That was great. But the interesting thing is that far-infrared energy and since we have 100% far, far infrared energy, it antidotes EMF. And there’s a guy in Oklahoma who uses the Relax Sauna radiator only in a room and calls it a healing room.

He used half of it and says, he sells a couple EMF protectors and he’s examined 12 or 15 of them. He said the Relax Sauna radiator is the best EMF protector he’s ever experienced in his life. Wow.

Wow, that’s impressive. Yes. And again, he says, Phil, you sent me those three radiators and I am discovering so much incredible stuff.

You have no clue what an incredible device this Relax Sauna is. It’s way, way more than it’s billed as. It’s a healing, it’ll turn a room into a healing room.

Understood. How are we doing? I want to get to some questions, Phil. How are we doing with your timing, sir? I’ve been 31 minutes and we started 11 minutes late.

So it’s 4.43 right now on the East Coast. Okay. So I’ll finish up.

Okay. Okay, I’m just gonna go through this. This lady who wrote this book, this is for her clients.

She had been selling wooden saunas for 10 years. She finally, instead of turning her nose, got in the Relax Sauna and after she got in the Relax Sauna, in three minutes, she could feel the difference. She said, this is totally different and she has helped us promote the Relax Sauna.

And in a sense, because of that, Brian Clement of the Hippocrates Institute travels with the Relax Sauna whenever he travels and they sell the Relax Sauna in their store and promote it. That’s hardcore. Yes, right.

And we have five other cancer clinics, Sauna Vive in Baja, Baja, you know, and Dr. Agpinar, Dr. Connealy, Dr. Jennifer Mealy in Baja, Mexico, and Dr. Paul Anderson. All cancer clinics have promoted the Relax Sauna. There’s others too.

This is a lady who, she’s a detox specialist. She gave us about a six minute interview. She had that $1,200 portable sauna.

She had a higher dose blanket and she gave them away because they left her de-energized, but the Relax Sauna left her revitalized. You know, all saunas are not alike. And this is what I’ve been saying for many years is people, you know, when they buy a vitamin C, they look at the ingredients, they look at the dose, the number of capsules, the number of dose per capsule, zinc, whatever.

But in saunas, it’s like, where’s the scientific inquiry? The people don’t even think. But that’s why we’re here, to educate you, me, and many, many others. So this is a review of the Relax Sauna.

And probably after we finish this, we can stop. He basically, he tested an Amazon sauna, two of them, and they didn’t increase body temperature more than half a degree. The heart rate variability test on them, which is basically the golden means of determining how therapeutic a sauna is, it didn’t increase heart rate variability at all, totally failed.

This is the first sauna they tested, only increased body temperature half degree. Then after his intense disappointment, he got the Relax Sauna. And the Relax Sauna he found raised core temperature 3.2 degrees in 20 minutes, 25 minutes, significantly more than any other sauna.

He was sorely disappointed. And when he checked out the Relax Sauna in terms of HRV, heart rate variability, it far exceeded what the research on fire infants said they should be able to do. He said, oh my God, I can’t believe this.

So thousands prefer the Relax Sauna because there’s no warmup period. You feel toasty and loving in two to three minutes. It’s great for a five to seven minute session with your clothes on.

Like I said, 100% to 50% of your pain gone without sweating. You can do a profuse sweat in 15 to 20 minutes. It’s very comfortable.

We give you only the four to 14 microns, which is extremely important. I suspect that your wooden $8,000 saunas are very good. They’re worth it.

They’re 20 to 50% far-infrared energy. They don’t tell anyone, but we need to remember the Relax Sauna is a $20,000 sauna. Selling suggested retail 2,000, selling on the internet for $1,500 for the silver sauna.

And it will increase body temperatures significantly in 25 minutes. Well. I think we covered it.

Yes. So let me just go through all these things. See if it helps your depression.

It’s a future. The medicine is like therapy. There’s a difference between far-infrared, the penetration, the near-infrared penetration.

I’ve already said all this. It’s again. Phil, I got questions for you, sir.

So let’s roll. Great. Thank you for doing your PowerPoint.

You can go ahead and minimize it. One of the things that I… Great job, Phil, on the presentation. Thank you.

Let’s put some love into the chat for Phil about the presentation. I really appreciate it. I know you were very… It was flustering and then you were super focused.

I love you for that. So I’ve got some other questions for you, but I just want to say that if this appeals to you, I think it’s really a powerful tool to have in your home. And if you have ever had a sauna where you’re like, yeah, I didn’t really feel a difference.

I don’t really like it, whatever. Or you don’t sweat at all. Or you felt like you weren’t, like in general, if you don’t sweat and you need to.

Or if you just felt like it was, meh. I want you to really try this because it really is different. And one of the questions we have coming in is, I can see a sauna behind you, Phil.

How much does it cost approximately? Let me share with you. Go ahead. I’ll pull up the page and show it to you.

Zoom, share screen. Here we go. I just clicked the link that everybody has in the chat.

Use Shivan 10 for an additional 10% off. And I’m going to take you to a little summary page down here at the bottom. That’s all I did was I just went to the link and scrolled down to the bottom.

What’s the difference between the black sauna and the silver sauna? It’s cosmetic mainly, okay? Okay. It’s the same radiator, okay? So it’s just the black tent versus the silver tent. The black tent does reflect a little bit better.

It does retain the heat a little better, but it’s not worth $600 difference. It’s maybe $400 different. But the main reason why it’s so expensive maybe is the embroidered logo.

It just looks so beautiful. And if you have money and you love the way it looks and it brings you joy, like I would buy colored staples over silver staples, pay seven times as much because they brought me joy. If you like it, get it.

We have a lot of people who buy them. Got it. Yeah.

Okay, so the one I have is the silver one, which is right here. And that’s what it looks like. You get the chair, you get the whole spiel right there.

And you’re getting the additional 10% off with Chavon 10. You can do payments. I love that.

Thanks for doing that, Phil. And then this is the lie down sauna. Talk to us about the differences between the enchilada style here and the pup tent.

Well, a lot of times I’ve really appreciated the lie down sauna. If about 15 years ago, I came back from Chicago at three in the morning and it was really, really ill of sorts, sort of sick. And I just went to sleep and turned on the timer for 30 minutes, woke up two hours later, turned it on again for 30 minutes, woke up an hour later, turn it up.

And I woke up feeling great in the morning. And you just, you want to drink water before. It’s always healthy to drink water before.

Helps you sweat, prevents you from getting dehydrated. What is this, the medical language? Well, we had a lady who was selling a 30 to $70,000 all-inclusive Hockett, which has far-infrared in it. And she was saying that her grandmother used this to get rid of MRSA and a healing in a wound.

And that the eight months of antibiotics couldn’t do a damn thing for the MRSA or the wound, but the Relax Sauna radiator, the Sky Eye Radar, professionally medical device, in four and a half weeks, got rid of the wound and the MRSA completely. It also got rid of diabetic ulcers and other studies. Well, what is the difference? Like, what’s the difference between that and the tent style? Or is it like- It’s just direct.

It’s just- Okay. For example- It’s like a focused spot. Yes, right.

And sometimes the focused will work more. Sometimes sunlight works a little bit better than moonlight to help you see. Okay, got it.

And what’s this little guy right here, the Far Infrared Table Lamp? That’s a table lamp, and that’s something that I would hold it up. Let’s see. I don’t have one in the room.

Is that just like, if you want to put it on your, like direct it at your feet or something under the desk? Or- Put your ear, your eyes, your nose, your throat. If you have cramps, menstrual cramps, just put it on there. It’ll go away in five minutes.

Okay. And then what about, is it good for chemical and mold sensitivity? I mean, this is like, this is like the sweet spot for lime and all those things. Yeah.

One of the slides we had was Paula Schofield from Desert Palm, California area. She had a wooden sauna and didn’t help her for the mold, but when she got to the wax sauna, it did and did it very, very quickly. She’s also one of the people who are EMF specialists who go into saunas, go into homes to make them safe EMF wise.

But she’s got about a 10 minute video on YouTube. You know, you’re referring to a building biologist. I’ve had a building biologist come to my house too.

It was fascinating. They’re very hardcore. So if they like it, it’s a really good testimonial.

When I got anonymous, when I get hot, my face quickly goes bright red because I have rosacea. This can become permanent as the veins get damaged over time. Oh, that’s fascinating.

So would this be a problem for me? I would say that, again, what the Relax Sauna does, people with MS say, well, I’m not supposed to get hot, but they go to the Relax Sauna and it helps them a lot because it’s the hot on the outside without the hot on the inside is what they’re talking about. Same as the Mayo Clinic. So basically, and people, the last thing you would think, I’m sunburned.

I’m gonna go on that in the Relax Sauna, no way. I said, no way. If you have a sunburn pain of seven, I guarantee it’ll be down to one or a zero in seven minutes.

So basically, you know, it’s got a 30 day money back guarantee. I would say that it will help your rosacea. The first man who traveled with me for about 10 years when I was selling massage tools had rosacea and the Relax Sauna helped him a lot.

So individual results will vary. Of course, speak with your doctor and this is not medical advice. Is there a provider of silver sauna somewhere in Europe, not the UK to avoid custom taxes and import taxes? They’re very high here in Belgium.

Well, what we do is we send the Relax Sauna directly from Taiwan to Belgium and it will have the Belgium 20 amp or 220 amp and we’ll have the Belgium plug. And we do our best to put the value down so that the duty is limited. Great idea.

Okay, in the US, how much is shipping? It’s $50 shipping in the United States. Okay. I have a sweating problem.

Will this help? Also, I have digestion and circulation issues. One of the best things, absolutely, for digestion and circulation, both. Absolutely, it should help.

It’s, you know, I’d say 95% chance it would help. If it doesn’t, you’re unhappy with it. They do have a 30-day money-back guarantee.

Is there a restocking fee? There is. I don’t know what it is. I think it’s on the website.

It’s either 10% or $100. I’m not really sure. Okay.

And then if you, when somebody is saying they’re having a sweating problem, I don’t know exactly what that means. If you are, don’t sweat or you sweat too much or what, I don’t know what that means. So if you want to put that back in the Q&A box, let me know, or go ahead and do so.

And then about the material, it’s made out of a reflective silver zirconian lining. Erica popped in and answered that, but is there anything else you’d like to address regarding the material itself? Well, the tent, a lot of people are concerned. They say they’re, you know, like on the Harry Potter set, when they say Voldemort is like everyone freezes in fear so I’ve had people come and say, is there any EMF in the Relax Sauna? You know, the same thing about, they’re concerned about off-gassing, but it’s 100% polyester with a pure silver coating on the tent.

We have not had any problems in the last couple of years with the tent. Okay. Again, it’s good.

I couldn’t wear polyester clothing because I couldn’t breathe. So it basically retains the heat better. Okay.

Are there any maintenance issues that need to be dealt with for the end-for-end connection, et cetera? There’s no moving parts. We don’t have, you know, it’s like those foot detox things, you have to replace the things. No, nothing’s replaceable.

The Relax Sauna should last 10 to 20 years. The reason I say 10 to 20, we’ve only been selling it for 21 years. The tent, your head faces out.

Would you put your head face in if you have issues there? I know you have an answer for this because you’ve said this before. Yeah, I duck my head about 50% of the time when I’m in the sauna. It’s really easy to do.

If you have a problem, if you’re really, really tall, I give slouching lessons at three o’clock every Tuesday. You just slouched. Now, how do you, do you just sit on a lower chair? No, well, you could put a lower chair in there.

You could put a bench or you could put your butt in the middle of the chair instead of toward the end. But basically, for most people, I’m 5’7 and a lot of people, you just stand, sit erect and put it over your head and then the hat or your crown will be through. Pull it up a little bit like a sweater.

Yeah, right. Yeah, definitely. Okay, any other questions? I think you all have a lot of information here today.

We do have an in-webinar bonus, which I usually like to extend for an hour after. So it’s about 5 p.m. Eastern time. So until 6 p.m. Eastern time.

Phil, you have the book. Anybody who orders during the webinar or within the next hour, you’re gonna share the book as a in-webinar bonus for folks. And then I have one too.

Let me see if I can find the book. Okay, what’s the name of it? It’s Infrared Illuminated. Infrared Illuminated.

So you would get a free book about infrared saunas. Maureen, let’s see. You’d have to go to everybody’s websites, Maureen, and do some.

It’s called Infrared Illuminated by Ariel Callista Miller. It sells for $26.95 on Amazon. And so we’re giving it away free for your specs.

Yeah, okay, if you purchase within the next hour. And then I have a masterclass from Dr. Christine Schaffner about lymph health. I need to go find it real fast.

And that is going to be something, if you send us your proof of purchase between now and soon by tonight, showing that you purchased before 6 p.m. Eastern time, we will send you. And it is, let me just see if I can find it. It’s Masterclass, Unraveling the Lymphatic System with Dr. Christine Schaffner.

Open link, let me see what it looks like. Yeah, so this is a masterclass people paid $59 for. You know, it’s not gonna make or break, but I do like to give you a little extra incentive and I will share the screen.

There it is. And then this is Christine Schaffner. It’s about 40 minutes.

And she talks about all these very cool things. And she’s a genius if you don’t know her. So, and then, uh-oh, let me close that out.

That is, boom, okay. And then use code Shivan10 to get the 10% off. That goes away in the next couple of days.

And what else? Oh, let me see your Q&A and then we’ll wrap. Can I commit to purchase later, say 48 hours? Yes, because you do have the discount for a few days. I think it goes all the way until the, oh, July 4th.

That’s longer than we thought. June 30th. June 30th, it’s June 30th, yep.

Sorry, Erica, it’s June 30th. And then need to tell my relative in Hong Kong regard. I don’t know what that means, but okay, no problem.

Okay, I’m gonna wrap. Thank you, Phil, as always an amazing job. I appreciate you so much and your mission and spending time with us.

You talk about how you have a Relax Sauna and you- I do, and I was answering some questions about my experience with it in the chat with some folks. I, like, I don’t like to sweat. Like, I’m one of those people.

I got my red light down here, you can see it on me. I got all the gadgets, all of the tools, and I’ve gone through so many other, like, I now feel like you were saying, like you’ve arrived at the pinnacle tool. I’ve gone through so many, massage guns, different frequency-specific microcurrent tools.

I love the one from Rob Van Bergen that we talk about. I mean, you can imagine how much stuff I’ve gotten. This has been for years.

I used to work at Home Shopping Network, right? And we would have FDA-cleared devices for pain and hang you upside down by your ankles and the building was moldy, so I was constantly in search of. I remember one day I was in so much pain, Phil. We had a chiropractor on talking about something.

I don’t know what he was talking about. And I was like, psst, come here, come here. And I was like, hey, so thank you so much for coming.

I’m gonna be your host today. And we talked about whatever he was gonna be talking about. And then I was like, is there a way you could do an adjustment for me? Because I can barely think right now.

And so he was so nice. We went into the green room and he did an adjustment, which I’d never recommend. He didn’t have X-rays.

It was just like him having mercy on me, which was very dangerous, actually, but so sweet of him. It was like a hard call. But I’ve been in so much pain and so much swelling and high CRP and just mold mycotoxins and the SIBO and everything.

So I’ve really gone through it. But I have to say that the Relax Sauna is the tool that I turn to for the biggest holistic bang for my buck. When I get in it, I do sweat, which is an accomplishment.

And I feel very well. That’s like, it’s a feeling of wellbeing. Like you’ve talked to about it, your terminology, mine would be a feeling of wellbeing.

And a feeling of hope in myself, a feeling of energy. My husband loves it as well. And he’s a hard sell, trust me.

And he sweats like crazy. Like he’ll be like just loading the car to go to the office and I’ll like see him start to sweat from the head. He just has a different metabolism and circulatory system.

But he loves it. We both really love it in this house. Sorry.

I like to say that it feels like your grandma is giving you a big loving hug. I love that. Or that you’re actually basking in a step-down version of divine love.

Erica, can you put the customer service email in the chat? No, there’s a, yeah. There’s a website, RelaxSaunas.com/superior where we have Paula Schofield’s interview on that. And a whole lot of other interviews and a 20, 30 minute talk by me on that website that can inspire them even more so.

But it’s RelaxSaunas.com/superior. What’s your customer service? A couple of people have random questions, Phil. Okay.

Well, right now they can call me. It’s 626-200-8454. 8-4-5-4.

Yeah. Thank you. Oh, thank you so much.

Now, this is what I’m talking about. This is direct connect people. This is why I love doing these.

This is access. You have questions that we didn’t cover today or you’re like thinking about it. I mean, thank you, Phil.

That’s very, very generous of you. And then Erica’s with us and she’s also available to answer some questions. But if you want, I mean, that’s amazing.

So I can’t beat that. Thank you so much. We really appreciate you.

And let’s pop some more love into the chat for Phil. Thanks, Erica, for showing up. And we will catch you next time.

Phil, you’re a rock star. You know, you’re one of my heroes, man. I appreciate you.

Incidentally, Ari Witten actually did an interview of one of our team members and promoted the Relax Sauna. So red light is great. Yes, yes.

Relax Sauna is great and works with red light, but he would not do an interview of any other sauna. And finally we met his strict restrictions of what it had to be. Mercola couldn’t even convince him and rightfully so because there wasn’t any foundation.

Wow, that’s a big statement. Ari has very high standards as do I, as do I, yep. And Marilyn’s in one of our small group coaching classes.

And she has been feeling really sick lately. And she said she did a sauna for the half hour and felt much better. And that’s awesome.

And she has the Relax Sauna as well. All right, I’m gonna wrap it up. Thank you all so much.

Thank you. I hope if this is a fit for you, you take advantage of it while we have it for you. I’m not special.

I love saving you time, energy, and money and getting you those health solutions that you so richly deserve for ultimate transformation. Be well. All right, thanks, Phil.

Thanks, Erica. Thanks everybody. See you next time.

Bye.