Hippocrates pointed out very clearly and concisely back, find me a way to create fever. Just find me a way to create fever and I will cure any disease, period. You know, I think the first part that I’d like to say is thank you for coming to our show.

Phil Wilson, I get to interview lots of people in the career that I’m in, but also since I’ve, my children would call me YouTube famous. So since the YouTube channel has really taken off, I’ve been lucky enough to been able to interview people who are really trying to help patients reverse medical problems. And although not other brands say that word, that’s really what our mission has been is what are the kinds of things that you can do that get rid of prescriptions instead of add them.

And when I first got introduced to you, well, I was looking into the answer that my husband had. We had been looking at saunas and you can’t help but be swept away by the volume of evidence that is behind the Finnish steam sauna and how much when they look at that culture of Finland and the longevity associated with that steam sauna, well, how beneficial it is. When we moved to Florida, we went from a life where we actually had a steam sauna in our house and now we didn’t.

So we are trying to find a solution of how can we substitute what we had before? And it really pushed me into looking into the really craze of people using saunas that have the word sauna, but I’m not sure it’s really giving them anything close to the health benefits that we were, well, that I was used to being confident in like, oh my goodness, the studies on a Finland sauna, you can hardly find more data on. And then to transfer that information in a place where, how do I recommend this for my husband? I’ll tell you what I used before I found your sauna was I was trying to recreate a steam sauna and we were living in Florida. We were at a rental property because housing market was terribly expensive.

And so we were looking for pop-up saunas because we couldn’t change the structure of what we lived in and we wanted to emulate a steam sauna. So there was a pretty handy little idea that someone took a modern day pressure cooker, put a hose in it, it’s like an Instapot, put a hose in it, put the steam from the hose to go into one of the pop-up tents and call it a steam sauna. And by golly, they’re like $150.

So we clicked buy on Amazon and literally it lasted 24 hours. We bought another one and didn’t send the parts back saying, okay, that one did last us a few months, but, oh, it just never got hot enough for me. I just didn’t get my heart rate up.

And it was in this midst of being frustrated, like, should we buy one of those? What happens when you look at the different heat waves or different energy waves that are used to heat up the human body and cause a sweat, cause the particles of the water inside you to vibrate and deliver what we hope to be an improvement in health. And boy, it’s in the midst of all that research that you couldn’t find very many other of the far infrared data that was out there. So welcome to my channel.

That’s a little bit about how I first came upon your company. Phil, I could try to introduce you, but it would do a severe injustice of trying to summarize your very adventurous life, which might have had a coming of age around in the 1970s, where something pretty remarkable happened. Why don’t you share that story? Okay.

Well, I was a mathematician. I was going to beginning. I was beginning graduate school in mathematics at Ohio State University.

And prior to that, in February of 1970, I had a trauma with a girlfriend that I accidentally had an out-of-body experience that it took me a year or two to realize I had. So that started the whole ball rolling. And I said, I’m not, I am not anything close to normal.

Well, welcome aboard. Well, so as you entered into the space of looking at saunas, and especially with what you really have brought to market, something really useful. And it’s why I don’t do interviews with experts very often.

Or as you said, you don’t like the word expert, but you do claim that wisdom might have shown up. You have lots of experience. But why don’t you share, how did you get into the world of saunas that, I mean, your history in math was the part that made a lot of sense to me.

Like, oh, there is a lot of this, the physics and mathematical side of how energy works and what it does to our body. But share how you got into saunas. Well, I’d always wanted to be creative, you know, mathematically.

I always wanted to be in that peak experience more often. So that got me into the fasting and the health food products. And I opened up a health food store in 1980.

But I was selling herbal vitamins in 73 and full time in 76. So that was my lifestyle. And I got into selling massage tools.

Now, when I was about 16, I experienced a sauna for the first time. And, you know, it’s like a duck to water. I mean, oh, my gosh, I love saunas.

There’s hardly anything in this world I like better than lying out in the sun and being in saunas. And so when I went, we had done, we were selling massage tools. And I went to a biological dentist conference in Las Vegas, I think, in around the year 2000.

And the next day there was a spa show. So I went to it. One of my massage tool suppliers had a portable sauna there.

And my first response was, oh, my gosh, you can have a sauna in your home. I mean, it’s like that’s heaven. So that was my Baroque period.

That’s before the classical period. You had the Baroque period. But I was broken.

It took me a year to be able to afford to buy a sauna wholesale. So around 2001 October, I purchased one. And then around 2002 October, I got a phone call from Taiwan, from the Relax Sauna Company, saying that theirs was technologically a lot more advanced.

They gave me a good price. It arrived in two, three days. And everyone at my office in my store said, oh, my gosh, there’s a night and day difference between the Relax Sauna and this what I’ll call an Amazon sauna.

The other sauna was, we had one of those portable camping chairs. And it took too long to sweat. So I took it out, sat on the floor.

It took me 18 minutes to start sweating and 55 minutes for a good sweat. Relax Sauna takes eight minutes. First of all, you feel it instantly.

And it feels like you’re being hugged. It feels like you’re basking in divine love or you’re being hugged by your loving grandma. You feel it instantly.

It takes eight minutes to sweat. And then 15, 18, 20 minutes, you had a great sweat. Oh, I mean, it is one of the best parts about when I was playing this game of, all right, near infrared, far infrared, looking at the information, trying to follow the data and then not just read headlines, but really get back to, well, how do they know that? Is that true? And so there’s a lot of propaganda associated with saunas.

And as I was, again, chasing what I had first fell in love with, was a fancy one that was inside a house. And again, we didn’t put that in there. We actually lived in the house for like three years before we turned it on because we weren’t sauna people.

And COVID changed that. We became sauna people as much as you could. But then I became very disgruntled that I would look at my watch, which keeps track of my heart rate.

And if you’re telling me that this sauna is going to cause an improvement in health and I can’t break a sweat for 30 minutes, some of them, I never broke a sweat. And then I tried your sauna. And I will say you are absolutely right.

First of all, it was a very comfortable heat that wasn’t like, so I think sometimes that you get those, the near infrared ones that they tell you there’s heat happening, but your body doesn’t sweat. And mine didn’t. And so then you go into the, you say, oh, it must be my mind.

I’ll go rent time in a commercial one or, you know, go to a sauna that’s wooden or, you know, find a different way to play with that. And I still would have a heck of a time pushing my heart rate up. And then I was in yours and literally within six minutes, I was sweating and my heart rate was up into what I call zone two.

I mean, it’s what people call zone two, but it was to the place where I said, oh yeah, now I’m making a difference. And if there’s a commodity in my life, that’s really, I protect, it’s time. So when it takes 40 minutes to get to a possible zone two or a possible sweat, I don’t know, I’m not going to do it.

So I completely, when you’re, what you’re saying and what the experience was real. And then I scratched my head to try and find why are there not more of them using the heat that is your far infrared? And I will tell you, I’m not the right one to answer that because the history lesson is, well, that’s why we ask wise people like you who have been around the sun enough times saying, why aren’t more people doing that? Now, when did you first try the Relax Sauna? Was that at a conference or? Yeah, so I had, well, I looked at it online, but I think it was at the first Hack Your Health that I went to, which was probably four years ago now or KetoCon, it was it, where you and I met and I had read about this type of sauna, but I’d never been in one and thought, I wonder if it’s as good as it says it is. And in my clothes, you said, just get in.

And I knew instantly that this was pushing my heart rate. I could see it on my watch, like, oh, this is different. And I actually bought one right there, took it home and said, all right, we’re gonna experiment on my husband.

And what happened to your husband? He’s even more of a snob than I am when it comes to saunas. And so I knew when he said, oh yeah, that’s actually doing something, that we were headed in the right direction. But the literature was, I mean, I walked into it having read, okay, this seems like a much better approach.

I wonder why more people don’t, I mean, if you look out on the commercial side of things to try and find far infrared versus near infrared, it’s, I mean, one has got a huge volume of competition and there’s not as many people in the lane that you’re in. Why do you think that is? Well, I think it’s the nature of this world. It’s like, for example, I’ve never been backed financially.

When I started, I was during my Baroque period. And so I had to basically one sauna at a time. I mean, slowly, we’ve been doubling sales every year.

And we went from, I think, 2000 saunas sold in 2019 to 4,000 in 2021 to 6,000 in 2023. So the word is getting around. But when I first started doing shows, and I thought the portable saunas were almost as good as the Relax Sauna.

And I didn’t think we were as good as the wooden saunas. This is me promoting something that is probably, if the wooden saunas sell for $6,000, $7,000, $8,000, the good ones, then the Relax Sauna is a $20,000 sauna because it’s three times as potent in terms of the active ingredient than any other sauna out there by far. And the most humorous thing is when someone comes to me and says, oh, I have a real sauna, meaning a wooden infrared sauna.

And all I can do is, I don’t roll my eyes physically, but in the back of my head, on the other world, the inside worlds, I’m rolling my eyes saying, how do I get through to this person? How do I get them to try it? Just go in and experience it for five, six minutes. Because the chasm of difference between the Relax Sauna and the $8,000 saunas is as much the chasm of difference between an infrared sauna or a far infrared sauna and a Finnish sauna. Hippocrates pointed out very clearly and concisely back, you know, about 2,500 years ago, he said, find me a way to create fever.

Just find me a way to create fever and I will cure any disease, period, any disease. You know, the power of what your sauna is in the world of too is when people put energy, put their money behind the product today, maybe in 2000, you didn’t have to be able to prove real time that it works as well as it does. But I find that is something I like living in the lane where what I recommend to patients, you can test what I’m telling you, you can prove what I’m telling you.

And I, you know, I look at the spectrum, I think I texted you a couple of images that are on your website saying, you know, trying to explain the wavelength and showing where the difference of this energy is in a far infrared versus near infrared, it will give the viewer a platform to see what’s the difference. But I don’t want viewers to miss that if you have a heart rate monitor and you are in a sauna, you should see your heart rate go up and you should break a sweat within single digits of minutes. If the energy is not increasing your body temperature to increase your heart rate, you’re wasting the pain.

I mean, when people say, oh, I don’t wanna go in a sauna, I don’t like to sweat, I don’t like to do that. I’m like, well, first of all, in order to get the benefits, that Hippocrates quote isn’t an accident. It’s not that breaking a sweat is, you know, some kind of revolutionary new idea.

No, it is foundational in how to activate our systems to enhance our metabolism, but also to push our immune systems to be in better shape. And if you’re going into one of these fancy places and you’re not breaking a sweat, or you’re just glistening a little bit, which is what my patients like to say, I’m like, you’re wasting your time. Heart rates need to go up.

Your body needs to perspire and it shouldn’t take you 40 minutes to get there. So one of my favorite parts when I’m telling people, why do I endorse your sauna over a whole bunch of others is just follow your own data. I mean, you can go to these studies and say, but the near infrared does this, and it says it does that, and it says it does that.

I’m like, yep, I know what those studies are trying to tell you. I also know that when you try and trace some of that evidence back, you’re gonna lose sight of the string of evidence. But when you’re looking at you, just like when I ask patients to change an eating habit and their blood sugar doesn’t move at all, that you shouldn’t trust me then.

If you can’t see these results in yourself, be suspicious. There are lots of salesmen out there and your sauna delivers and it is an evidence, you can measure it in the patients that do it. In fact, I have a really good friend, a coach who’s been part of my team for a while and struggling with some major problems in life, autoimmune disorders that have been going around for 30 years in her, pick an organ that’s having a problem.

And she kept telling me she was using a sauna. And at this last event for Hack Your Health, she’s from Canada. I said, I’m gonna go to the booth and ask if I can buy one of their saunas to send back with my coach because what she’s doing is putting in the time and telling me she’s using a sauna.

Yet, she’s not breaking a sweat nearly often enough or fast enough to get the kind of results that I want. She’s now, I think we’re at seven weeks since that conference and the amount of improvement in her health in the last seven weeks compared to what it was the year before, despite time spent in a sauna. I’ll put an air quotes there, a sauna.

Well, you win. So why don’t you take over and do some educating for us on when you’re trying to explain the difference in these wavelengths, how do you do it to patients, to people? Okay, well, first of all, there’s a book called Detoxify or Die by Dr. Sherry Rogers. This on the far infrared sauna industry.

She came out with this in 2001, 2002. And basically the whole book is about far infrared saunas. As an environmental medical doctor, Dr. Rogers was people, patients with multi-chemical sensitivities and environmental concerns were left to dead by the medical establishment and came to her in the late 1990s.

She used the wooden far infrared saunas, which, you know, and I’m not sure how much far infrared is there. I imagine between 20 and 50% of the energy is far infrared ray, which is good. And they got results.

As a matter of fact, the Mayo Clinic came out in 2004 with a study and announcing that their heart patients should not ever use a hot tub, a wooden finish sauna because the heart has to race to find an equilibrium between the inside temperature and the outside temperature. However, far infrared saunas were extremely therapeutic. And the reason why is because when you raise body temperature through the far infrared saunas by sending off a frequency of light, that’s the same frequency as water and the organic cells of our bodies and all mammals and birds by sending off this frequency of light between seven and 14 microns, it gets the water molecules to vibrate.

That, according to a passage in this book, No Sweat, No Sweat by Dr. Bill Akbenar, a cancer doctor out of New York City. He’s quoting Dr. Toshiko Yamasaki. There’s a passage in it.

I mean, I guess, you know, but basically what it says is upon application of seven to 14 micron, that’s far infrared ray energy between seven and 14 microns energy, the water molecules will start to vibrate. That will weaken the ionic bonds of the hydrogen and the oxygen in the water molecule and unclump. In other words, it unclumps the water molecules and gets rid of the clusters of water molecules clumped together that are holding encapsulated gases of poisonous gases and heavy metals.

And when you vibrate the water molecule, that weakens the bonds and those toxic gases are released. From from the cell and that beauty of far infrared energy. And it’s the seven to 14 micron range that does it.

So, you know, we’ve been promoting far infrared saunas. And then around 2017, all of a sudden you’ve heard all this information that far infrared energy doesn’t do any of the stuff that Dr. Sherry Rogers says it does in his book with with tons of data. And we have a new book out called Infrared Illuminated.

This is $27 available on Amazon, where she has about 150 articles, research articles on far infrared energy, all documented that you can research. And it’s the far infrared energy. And so these near infrared sauna company would say, oh, near infrared does all the stuff that Dr. Sherry Rogers says far infrared saunas do.

And far infrared energy does not. I said, what the? Then they document, they make a quote and they document it and refer you to an article on near infrared lasers that has nothing to do with near infrared light bulbs. So so I’m, you know, but we were bombarded with this in 2017 Christmastime.

And usually our sales go like this and they just flatten. So I mean, I think there there’s a great book out the that has really captured me over the last year called the. It is it’s about not enduring pain like that.

Oh, it’ll come to me in a minute. The title of it. I wish it was sitting in front of me.

It’s probably in the other room talking about how today’s though the comfort crisis. There you go. It just came back to me.

The name of the book was The Comfort Crisis. And it talks about this man who is a very talented, you know, incredibly gifted in the resources and life that he has. But how, you know, the the coming of age that he has been in has been it’s not, you know, take care of it with the lightest amount of struggle with the least amount of adversity with, you know, the answer is in the pill, not in changing behavior.

And so when you look at the the difference between what it feels like for a patient to be inside a far infrared versus a near infrared, the near infrared is this this baby little discomfort where a far infrared actually does cause a pretty significant sweat within again, within 15 minutes, for sure. I can remember setting the timer that if I could make it to 15 minutes, I felt like I was doing well. I can make it a little longer now.

Trying to get to 40 minutes is my is my goal. And and that’s only because, you know, it really does add a level of metabolism and, you know, energy burst to my life as well. But what when when you and I were talking or when maybe it was looking at the research that that is one of the latest studies that’s come out is isn’t it in the last year or so the study you were talking about, they blinded what kind of sauna it was going to.

Was it Harvard? Well, what we did is we sent a couple of months ago, we sent a Relax Sauna. We sent a $1,200 portable sauna pretending to be us saying how great they are, saying that they’re the best of the best. And we sent a $300 Amazon saunas to Harvard, MIT and to their physics lab.

And they did some research and they have a sophisticated equipment called the barometer that tests the exact frequency that comes out of the Relax Sauna. And I have never seen a report from any sauna company saying that this is the frequency of light. It’s like when you look at a nutrition label, you see, well, it’s got so much calcium, whatever, but no sauna tells you how much of the active ingredient of 7 to 14 micron far infrared energy is in it.

Right. I understand that in Japan, they have a law or a definition of a far infrared sauna. And to be called the far infrared sauna in Japan, you have to have at least 95% of the frequency far infrared ray.

Using that definition, the Relax Sauna is the only far infrared sauna in the United States. The only one. Well, tell about the outcomes of what they when they were looking at.

Yeah, this is great. The Relax Sauna energy. Now, we sent to Polytechnic University in Los Angeles about half a year ago, a year ago, the Relax Sauna only.

And they used the barometer and they came back for the 60 minutes. At first, we were between 11 and 14. And by the last 10 minutes, we were between 7 and 10 micron.

So the whole Relax Sauna was far infrared ray between 7 and 14 micron. Just like Dr. Yamasaki said, if that particular frequency will weaken the ionic bonds in the water molecule and cause wonderful things to happen in your body. So the Relax Sauna energy was all between 7 and 14 micron.

And then when we sent it to Harvard, we got the same exact results. Then I looked 25 years ago or 22 years ago, when I was introduced to Relax Sauna, there’s an institute in Taiwan that verified it was all between 4 and 14. Now we find out not only is it between 4 and 14, it’s between 7 and 14.

And it never dawned on me that other sauna companies never documented. So the Amazon saunas in particular, they all quote the research on far infrared saunas. And they say, here’s our sauna.

I was totally shocked that the $1,200 wooden sauna, the range was from 1.2 to 6 microns. Now, far infrared ray usually is considered to start at 4 microns. So it turned out that 8% of the energy from the $1,200 portable sauna reputed to be the greatest, 8% of that energy was far infrared ray energy.

And 37% was mid between 2 and 4. And between 0.76 and 2, 55% was near. The Amazon sauna was all between 0.95 microns and 1.3 microns, 0% far infrared ray. I was shocked because I’ve been thinking there’s 36 to 50% of that energy was far infrared ray.

Now, Dr. Gerald Pollack gave a talk recently at a conference we were at. And we talked to him and said, because he said that infrared energy expands the exclusion zone or easy zone water, the fourth phase of water, which is where only pure water can exist. And it’s like a gel like substance.

And we asked him, what infrared energy? He said, we’ve only tested up to 5 micron and said, how come you haven’t tested, you know, like the Relax Saunas between 7 and 14? He said, because we don’t know how to produce it. In other words, it’s very, very expensive to be with the Relax Sauna company from 1987 to 1997. They researched, how do we get this kind of energy that they have at these healing spas in Southern Japan where people would go and miraculous that they would get healed? What kind of energy is there? So this electrical company in Taiwan, a Relax Sauna company found 10 years of research.

They discovered using a semiconductor chip, that’s computer technology during COVID we couldn’t get cars because we couldn’t get the semiconductor chips from Taiwan because that’s, see, Planck’s law says we can’t do what we do. But somehow using semiconductor chips, computer technology, we’re able to do what Planck says. We give you 100% far infrared energy and that’s the magic.

Now there’s a commentator on YouTube and wherever, his name is Matt Justice. And he says, the more far infrared you have in your sauna, the more therapeutic it’s going to be. Well, and I think that’s, if I recall, that’s part of where that patent comes from from this company too is that their ability to deliver that is what is unique about the company and why you find such an isolated success in the lane that you’re in where the competition to get this level of delivery is really, there’s not a lot of other people that are able to deliver what you guys have talked about.

Go ahead. It took us years to develop the technology to give you 100% pure far infrared ray energy and that causes the water molecules to vibrate and that causes the increase in body temperature that is so vital to Hippocrates when he says, find me a way to create fever and sweat and I’ll cure any disease. So I was actually, before I found your company and even before I was chasing saunas, there had been an orthopedic surgeon who had talked about one of the techniques he was using after surgery was to place the patient under one of the far infrared lamps that if he had done surgery on the ankle, done surgery on the hip or whatever the joint was, they were really using almost a spotlight of that delivery of energy to get the wound to heal, the bone to get stimulus of osteo, but he went on and on and on and it was years later where I realized he is from the area where your Relax Sauna was being and he was using your.

Wow. I know, isn’t that great? I’m like, I was at a conference. I was saying, well, what are some of the ways where if I have a patient who’s metabolically broken, they’ve got lots of consequences of several times around the sun, carrying too much weight, eating too many processed foods.

Yeah, that’s it. And he said, well, I’ll tell you, there’s a few things that, you know, surgeons say we just, we don’t like infection and we like people to heal well, but your outcomes really are a product of, yes, your methodical process and who’s the audience you’re taking care of. And as the audience in orthopedic surgery continues to have a further and further list of problems and metabolic issues and being overweight, that, you know, helping them at least, you know, this is definitely showing you the mentality of a surgeon, get him better enough to get him off of my list, that it’s not my fault, that they didn’t get better.

And that little trick that you’re talking, that you’re holding in your hand was one of his, like, I make my patients all do this now because especially if they have metabolic issues. And this was long before I signed up for SANA, but that is the device he was talking about. Why don’t you share what your experience has been in helping providers find that device? This is the Relax SANA table lamp, by the way.

And we had a lady at a conference with TMJ pain that she’d had for about a day. And I said, just put this like here. And she did it for five, seven minutes and her TMJ pain went all the way gone.

We also had a lady that burnt her tongue through laser surgery and her pain was a level of nine. And she said it had been that way for 36 hours. We said, well, we’ll go ahead and use this on your tongue, you know, stick here, your tongue out and do that.

And, you know, come back and do it for five, 10 minutes, you know, three, four times today. So she brought it back, you know, after about half an hour and she used it for five, 10 minutes and she never came back. I said, oh, I guess it never worked.

I was concerned. She said, no, it worked. And here it is three years later and she still has no pain.

So, so it’s like this, this is our little ugly stepsister. We don’t promote it much, but it’s like. I’ll tell you, I’ll tell you a story about what happened to me.

So I, I love my husband. We’ve been at, we’ve been together 30 years and sauna time is one of our, like, well, it’s, it’s how we stay married. It’s a date.

So there’s a place in town that is a steam sauna, but boys go on one side and girls go on the other. And maybe that’s the solution to a happy marriage that you go to separate saunas. But we were looking for a place where we could go sauna together.

So there’s a new facility in town and we had gone to the sauna. It was like the third time where they’re one of the barrel saunas and it would have, it has a coil that was heating up rocks and then you would be in the sauna for so many minutes and then you would hop out into a cold plunge. And we said, oh, this’ll be great.

Best part was we could do it together. It’s about the third time we’ve been there and we see some struggles. First of all, that barrel sauna is very uneven heat.

We have your sauna at our house, so we know exactly how long it takes. I should not be spending an hour and a half in that dang sauna to get the outcomes I want. It’s taking, I mean, I would have half of my body cold and whatever.

I would always want the hot seat to be closest to the coils. But we’re on the third time there and the company was new trying to figure out how to be the best they could. I stepped out of the sauna.

I’m holding onto the door and it’s wet and my body gives out. My foot slips and my knee gets wedged under the edge of the door. And it’s like my knee just went like this, sideways.

Instead of, you know, back and forth like this, it went like this. It went sideways. And I have never had such horrific pain in my knee.

And I’m not going to a surgeon. I’m not going to get surgery. I’m not even going to get an MRI.

But the next several days, I mean, I practically needed crutches to walk. It was so painful and swollen. I knew I’d hurt something.

So I limp around for about a week before I remember that this, and I’m trying to get in my own sauna to heal it. And I’m almost traumatized to go back to the place. It’s not their fault.

It was a wet floor. It’s just an accident. But I then called your company and said, all right, I want one of those thingies.

I want one of those orthopedic options. And I have it here in my office where when I’m sitting at my desk for the next like three weeks, I would put that right on my knee. And by golly, I am pain free.

I am back to normal. It’s probably been four months now since the injury. And I mean, honest to God, I thought I was going to have to, I was going to have to have something much more invasive done.

But it’s through your spot sauna, as well as the home sauna that I use, the one that’s behind you, that I know was a huge part of the healing process. And I’m really thankful that that orthopedic surgeon, because he was a little like, it was not a convention for, you know, biohacking or, and it wasn’t a safe place to talk about something as woo-woo as a sauna. Or he didn’t even use that word.

He was using this heat lamp is really important. That’s what he called it, a heat lamp. It’s really important for when I have metabolically sick patients.

And I’m thankful he told me and that I connected that, oh, this is exactly what that guy was doing. Anyway, thank you for healing my knee. You’re welcome.

You know, it’s like, you know, the stories I’ve heard on this little portable is like, we’ll blow you away for $300. And, but the sauna is what we promoted the show is because that’s like, you know, the creme de la creme. I mean, it really is.

And again, Doc, there’s a colon hydrotherapy that’s named Rebecca Harder. She also has a hyperbaric clinic also in New Mexico. And she gives this out to her clients.

At our clinic years ago. But but she has was selling wooden saunas. And for 10 years, she would just snub her nose.

I mean, you know, she would just look the other way. Well, I have a wooden infrared sauna, the Relax Sauna that couldn’t possibly do. I mean, this couldn’t possibly do what a desktop computer could do 20 years ago.

This couldn’t possibly do, you know, with a cell phone. But basically, she got in. And after three minutes, she couldn’t believe the difference.

I mean, it was miraculous. And this is, you know, but a lot of times people, well, I spent $8,000 for this wooden sauna. I said, yeah, you spend $8,000 and spend $1,500 more and get an upgrade that’s going to be three to four times more potent.

That’s exactly right. The power of time spent, use the right science behind what you’re trying to do to your body. Absolutely.

With that Harvard-MIT study or report, the Amazon sauna had 0% far-infrared ray, the $1,200 portable, full-spectrum infrared sauna, which means very little. It’s a made-up term, meaning nothing more than infrared. It’s just flashy.

But they had 8% far-infrared ray, and then our sauna had 100% far-infrared ray energy. We were three and a half times more power intensity than the $1,200 portable sauna we sell for $1,500. The $300 Amazon sauna, we were four and a half times more potent.

In terms of EMF, the $1,200 sauna says they’re low EMF. We had one-tenth the amount of EMF. Now, they had one-fifteenth the EMF of the Amazon sauna, but the whole idea is that this thing is 100 times more dangerous than any household appliance.

So it’s a moot thing. No household appliance can do the damage of Wi-Fi in a building you go into or the cell phone that you’re carrying. Even Dr. Klinghart uses the Relax sauna, and he’s the one that introduced the dangers of microwave EMF to the world.

So go back to when somebody is first approaching you for not been using a sauna much, because a lot of my followers, they hear me talk about a sauna, but honestly, finding a sauna routine, it’s like somebody who’s never worked out trying to get them to work out. That first step over the threshold, I think, is the beginning. That’s the hardest step for them.

So when somebody purchases your sauna, what kind of protocol would you encourage them to do as far as a beginner? And then maybe take us all the way to what do you do? Well, first of all, people tell me they have homes, and a home is based on love and warmth. And I don’t take that away from anyone, but the Relax sauna can transform a house into a home because where there’s a hearth, a place of warmth, and we have families, people that kids have grown up, they’re eight, nine, ten, and they’ve had the sauna for six, seven, eight years. They couldn’t.

I mean, it’s like, it’s like having a refrigerator or stove in your house or not. How can you not have a stove or refrigerator in your house? How can you not have a Relax sauna? Where do you go when you want to go to have experienced a moment of tuned in this, to get tuned into that, which you are, to get into the present moment. Boom, in five, seven minutes, you’re there with your clothes on without sweating.

And in five to seven minutes, I guarantee you will, any person will get rid of 50% to 100% of their pain, guaranteed without sweating, with their clothes on in five to seven minutes, every time without fail. That’s one of the treatments that you can get from a Relax sauna that you can’t get from every other, any other sauna, because they all take from 10 to 30 to 45 minutes to preheat. Yep, that’s true.

Absolutely. That’s exactly what I ran into as well. Like, no, this is not going to work.

If you want a great sweat, in 20 minutes, you can get in the Relax sauna with 10 to 30 seconds to preheat. Right. The eight minutes, the normal person will start sweating, some a little bit before, some a little after.

We’ve got people, you know, who haven’t sweated for 10 to 20 years. Sweating within 20 minutes. And one lady at a doctor show, it took my ex-wife 51 minutes to get her to sweat.

And as soon as she started sweating, four doctors had their credit cards, handed it to my ex-wife, said, we want to get a Relax sauna. Because what the Relax sauna does is almost miraculous and almost unbelievable what it can do. It is profound.

It gives you 100% pure far infrared red energy that resonates with the water molecules. And that will increase the body temperature. When you increase the body temperature, you’re doing five major things.

You’re mobilizing the lymphatic system to get the toxins out. You’re increasing the circulation. That’s going to lower the blood pressure and get rid of inflammation and pain.

You’re going to oxygenate the body. That’s going to kill the anaerobic bacteria. And that’s going to also can kill the Lyme spirochetes and can kill cancer cells.

They have a hospital in Germany called St. George Hospital. They go and they raise the body temperature to 104, 105 degrees, and it kills everything. Except it doesn’t kill the human body.

But they have sophisticated equipment that keeps it from getting to 107, 108. Will it kill the human body? And so using the Relax Sauna daily is an alternative. Right? No, honestly, it is a routine for my husband and I. We do this.

If we’re looking at our week, we always think, well, at least we’ve got our sauna time figured out. And we have not been sauna people our whole life. We really haven’t.

But your sauna is our… So how often do you get in your sauna? And how long do you stay? I usually do it 20 minutes every morning. Good. And then about, you know, every other day, I have time, I’ll get out, maybe take a shower, drink some water, and do another 20 minutes.

And, you know, if I do it a third time, every couple, every once a month or so, that’s by day for Phil, and I feel like I’ve been at the spa for nine hours. Well, it’s interesting because… So you can see the sauna behind you there’s a hole at the top of the zipper. Now, how my husband and I do it is we get it, you know, the person gets in and they zip it up and they put the head inside to get everything pretty warm pretty quickly.

And I’m not as good as he is. But the longer you can stay with just tolerating that increased metabolic drive from that heat source, well, it’s kind of like a badge of honor between the two of us. He’s way better at it than I am.

But so it’ll be about somewhere in that high teen number is where I’m at right now before I have to pop my head out. And then I put my hands through those little zippers and sometimes adjust whatever it is I’m, you know, reach for the glass of water or something. But the process of using what is really a low weight, low, you know, real estate burden in your house.

And again, it truly is portable. This really doesn’t require a lot to move it from one room to the next or even to, you know, to stand up to the word portable. It really is.

Well, here’s the breakdown on it. It fits in the carrying case and the carrying case and the chair will fit in. I have a Samsonite suitcase, which is 21 inches wide and the chair and the whole bag and the radiator and the tent all fit in that.

That’s so great. But it’s a carrying bag and you could take the radiator, you know, the tent will fit in any suitcase and you can have a plane with you and it’s always in my hotel room. That’s so great.

Yeah, we said it with our lady back to Canada. We said, take this on the plane with you and your sauna has been very impressive in my world too. So thank you for what you do.

Well, I appreciate you. Thank you very much. And I will let our customers know that if you are looking for a way to get to this little link, go to bozmd.com on Dr. Boz Favorites and you’ll find the Relax Sauna right at the top.

Thanks again. Bye-bye.