Hello there. I’m excited to be here. Here we are at the Conscious Life Expo 2026.

As you see on the screen, it’s the 24th annual Conscious Life Expo, although this has been going on for probably 40 years, but under a different name. They called it Conscious Life Expo 24 years ago. It might have been under new ownership as well.

Here I am in L.A. and I have been promoting the Relax Far Infrared Sauna surprisingly enough for 24 years. 24 is a magic number because it’s 2 times 12, and 12 is a magic number. So, you know, Jupiter goes around the Sun every 12 years.

And I have been in the health food industry since 1973. I got into health foods and fasting in 1971. I was trying to find a way to minimize what I ate, but give me the balanced energy from good healthy foods.

Because of the Kundalini awakening that I had, my whole body chemistry changed. And it became very clear to me as it has, it was becoming clear, the synchronicity of life was showing me that my diet was slowly improving. I went off coffee.

I was doing 5 cups a day as an undergraduate in mathematics. And now here I was attending graduate school in mathematics. And my world was changing.

I was being oriented inwardly. And that set me up for getting into selling herbal vitamins and fasting and meditating 3, 4, 5, 6 hours a day and doing yoga. I was like dedicated to going into the inner spaces where I could become super clear.

So I could, you know, it’s basically it’s all about listening. You know, it’s when you listen to your heart, your inner guidance, some people call that God. You can call it God listening.

And you can abbreviate it and call it G listening. And then you can take the hyphen out and call it glistening. So when you listen to your inner guidance, your heart or God, you start to glisten.

And that’s a Phil Wilson original that I’m sharing with you. You all saw the movie, The Beautiful Mind. There’s a mathematician who he just wanted one original thought that he would have felt that he was going beyond puppeting the beliefs and views and ideas everyone was giving to him from childhood on.

He just wanted to be able to break out of that matrix and have his own one original thought. And that actually, I would say, is the goal in life for all of us, because that starts a whole, I won’t say a Pandora’s box, but it starts a whole journey inwardly to not solving math problems, but finding ways to get the pebbles and the stepping stones and the blocks out of your way on your way. I won’t say to freedom.

It’s not a journey to freedom. It’s a journey of freedom because you are already there. I was blessed 24 years ago to discover the Relax Sauna.

It’s a very, very special instrument that was discovered by Dr. Chang and a team of scientists. It took them 10 years to find out how to give you 100% Far Infrared Ray, the energy that there’s a preponderance of at the hot springs in southern Japan, at Lourdes. They were asked by a Japanese company, can you find a way to create the energy there so people can heal? And it took the Relax Sauna company 10 years to solve the difficulty to overcome the obstacle and come out with a semiconductor chip.

That’s two thirds of one. That’s a full semiconductor chip. Now, if you know anything about Far Infrared saunas, usually most of them have those carbon panels.

And the carbon panels are wonderful. What a wonderful invention, but they’re primitive and they’re limited in what they can do. And so I’m going to, you know, this workshop for an hour and a half is about raising your body frequency.

And this little chip, there’s 20 in each of the radiators. This is what’s instrumental. Now, Matt just got into the sauna to show you how easy it was to get in and out.

There’s a reason he did that, because we are taking in an hour and a half, eight minutes each, we’re taking about 10 volunteers to go into the Relax Sauna for about seven, eight minutes and experience while we are talking about what it’s like to be in heaven. In other words, when you get in there and you experienced it, and you even gave me an interview already. So who would like to go into the sauna? You.

You’re first. And after that, there’ll be time for, I mean, a lot of us. So, you know, as soon as one gets out, you know, beyond, you know, this is what I was meditating.

And they told me, momentum. Then they said, taking advantage of the moment. I said, Okay, momentum comes from the word moment.

I didn’t realize that. And then they said, propelling yourself into greatness. And I said, Wow, see, but but this whole three phrases takes on a new meaning.

When you realize that taking advantage of the moment is not the same as living in the moment. It’s living in the moment and listening. You’re vigilant.

And so when that new wave comes by, which is your your future and your destiny, because you’re listening, you can pick up on it and step in front of that wave and that way will propel you into greatness. So when you get in the Relax Sauna, you want to listen. When you listen to your heart, miracles happen.

And what happens when you get in the Relax Sauna, these chips, they filter out the near-infrared and only give you what Dr. Yamaguchi in Japan says, the seven to 14 micron wavelength frequency of far-infrared ray is the frequency that will vibrate the water molecules in your body. And this will immediately weaken the ionic bonds. And therefore it will release poisonous toxic gases from the body, sulfur dioxide and carbon dioxide.

I’m not sure what it is, but carbon dioxide is not a toxic gas. I think it’s maybe nitric oxide. They’re acids.

When I was a kid in chemistry class, we used sulfuric acid and nitric acid to get diamonds to get real small and put them in or pennies to get small. And then you put them in the dime machines and you get 10 cents worth of stuff for a penny. That’s what I used to do as a kid.

At any rate, the frequency and the vibration that comes out of the Relax Sauna is precisely seven to 14 microns measured by MIT Harvard Science and Technology Lab, Health Science and Technology Lab, and also measured by Polytechnic University here, somewhere around L.A. and the two universities in California. Now, when I first heard of the Relax Sauna and they told me it’s all four to 14 microns or seven to 14 microns, I said, OK. But they were telling me that the whole vibration, it’s all four to 14.

The other saunas don’t tell you what frequencies that they are generating. As a matter of fact, it’s become a little stilted because they say we are not an infrared sauna. We are a full spectrum infrared sauna, which is what Quaker Oats did in the early 70s when they called it natural, which means nothing.

In full spectrum, infrared is the same thing as what they have been having all the time, a mixture of near, mid, and far infrared ray. And it turns out that an admission of guilt, or not of guilt, yes, that they do not have 100% far infrared ray. It turns out that only the far infrared ray frequency between seven and 14 microns vibrates the water molecules.

Now, why is this? Water is a far infrared molecule. It vibrates at eight microns. The human body vibrates at 9.4 microns as brought out by Dr. Sherry Rogers in her book, Detoxify or Die, on page 208.

It says, humans, we emanate far infrared energy, three to 50 microns, mainly 9.4 microns. That’s the same as animals and birds. So the key is, if you can send out a vibration, a frequency, a wavelength, that’s the same wavelength as us, magic happens.

We are repositories for far infrared light. That means like a solar panel is a repository for sunlight. And what happens when sunlight hits the solar panels? It stores energy.

So people, you know, there’s a detox specialist in Las Vegas. She’s been doing detox on people for 10, 20 years. And she says, thank you.

How do you feel? It was good. Well, you have one. Do you have one already? No, but I’ll get one.

How did it feel? Good. Yeah. It felt good.

Yeah. I felt very relaxed. But I was listening to what you were saying too.

It’s very interesting to hear about how our body is water and yeah, how that all works. Well, it is all about water and the Relax Sauna is all about getting your water molecules to vibrate. And I was in the middle of telling you a whole lot more, but meanwhile, who wants to go in now? Just raise your hand and have some fun.

Not fun. It’s like being loved. So our bodies are a repository for far infrared light.

And so that means when far infrared light comes at us, it’s the same vibration that we are. So therefore we can’t perceive it. It’s the same frequency as us and we’re doing this frequency.

So it passes right through us. It’s absorbed into the body. It penetrates very deeply two inches and vibrates all the water molecules and the organic cells of the body.

Not only that, but we all know about how important structured water is. It increases the structured water in the body 50 to 200% in about 10 minutes. That’s magical.

Now structured water, another name for that is organized water, not chaotic. Now the chaos is what happens when you have a microwave frequency and that’s chaotic. So what Dr. Yamaguchi says that the Relax Sauna, or he didn’t say that, he said the seven to 14 micron frequency will antidote the negative effects of microwave energy like this thing.

That’s a microwave device. So is wifi. In almost every building you go to, or even if you’re not in a building, you can’t get out of its way almost.

So it turns out if you do the Relax Sauna every day, a couple of times a week, you are protecting yourself and antidoting the negative effects of microwave EMF. And that’s very, very interesting. Now, how do I know this? Well, experientially I know it.

2026 is the year where the Relax Sauna company, where science is merging with experience. Having been promoting the Relax Sauna for 24 years, having amassed about 900 plus testimonial interviews in the Relax Sauna from people who come back after having bought one for two, three, two, three years ago, or just using it for the first time and having it allow this is, this is not what I expected. I I’m, I’m impressed.

And we’ve, we’ve had a couple of those today already, as a matter of fact, a professional basketball player who used to play with the Harlem Globetrotters and a man who used to pitch for the, for the San Francisco Giants for 10 years. They’re both at my booth right now. They’ve each had the Relax Sauna for over 10 years.

And they’re in the back, the back right there, Dave and Scott. So the, the, the Relax Sauna was used by the way, by the Los Angeles Dodgers. They called us up and said, Hey, we’re going to Toronto.

Can you ship a sauna there? And we said, well, there’s border problems. Okay. Can you deliver it to LA to our, you know, on Thursday, you know, we’re playing the fifth game there.

Yep. And so we have a picture of the, the, the, the, the son-in-law of the president of the Relax Sauna company outside Dodger stadium with Travis Smith, the strength and conditioning coach of the Los Angeles Dodgers, accepting the sauna from us. And then they used them in Toronto on Saturday and Sunday.

And that was, I mean, it was like magical how they won. They needed the edge. And we believe that the Relax Sauna gave them the edge.

And so any, anyone who is a fan of the LA Dodgers, you owe me, you owe me. They’ve been using the Relax Sauna for three years now. And we had to do the same thing for the Mets field, city field for the national championship last year.

We delivered two saunas there. I got a picture of one of the players. At any rate, not only does as a repository for far infrared light, the far infrared light coming out of the Relax Sauna, hitting us, penetrates very deeply, vibrates the water molecules and, and structures the water.

That’s organizing the water, getting the chaos out of it. So what, and just, just organizing the water in our body that gives us energy. And that’s why we, I say we are a repository for far infrared light and we, and the water molecules in our body store this energy.

So what do we do with this stored energy? We use it to purify the body. We get all the 12 systems of the body, the lymphatic system, the respiratory system, the circulatory system, the parasympathetic system, the digestive, the reproductive. I mean, you name it.

We have a lot of systems in the body and all these systems start functioning optimally. Now when Hippocrates says, find me a way to create fever and I will cure any disease. I’ll say that again.

Find me a way to create fever and I will cure any disease. First of all, he doesn’t understand the laws. You know, states were not allowed to cure anything in the United States but beef.

But, but so, you know, after he gets shackled and thrown, put off to jail, but, but his, regardless of that, his statement is true and profound. This is what they call hyperthermia. And they have a hospital called St. George Hospital in Germany, where they, they get your temperature up to 104, 105, maybe even 106.

And that, and that does what I was saying with all the systems of the body. Lymphatic system that purifies and cleanses the body, the respiratory system that floods the body with oxygen, kills the anaerobic bacteria, kills the parasites. It increases the circulatory system that lowers blood pressure, gets rid of inflammation, and all the stagnant areas of the body where mold and bacteria can grow.

But the most exciting thing about the Relax Sauna and about a fever is that it, it activates the parasympathetic nervous system. And that’s a system that gets you into the present moment. And I have a wonderful definition of pain that you’ll love, I hope, I trust.

Don’t like the word hope. The definition is, the, the definition of pain is simply the awareness of time. Yeah.

There’s a book I read in the early seventies called Talons of Time. Can you, you got the picture, Talons of Time? Time is not a very nice being or idea. Now who were the evil ones in the book? The time makers.

Have you ever worried? Have you ever hurried? Have you ever waited? All very painful. I don’t do that stuff no more. I don’t believe in drudgery.

You know, as a matter of fact, you know, there’s a dichotomy in life that we all eventually learn. It’s called, you’re either going to observe something or you’re going to judge it. And the antidote to judging something is to observe.

Now it’s very interesting. Observe comes from the word serve. So that gives you an idea when you’re observing, you are serving the divine.

You are serving all, all souls in your presence are being uplifted because you’re not judging. Judging is being, is almost like a for or against kind of thing. It doesn’t belong in, but you know, we have to go through it, you know, and instead of complaining about what wasn’t, we learned to enjoy what is.

And now there’s a dark lining and a judgment that you do not find in an observation. And that would be called a complaint. Have you ever looked at a sunset and said, Oh wow, that’s the most gorgeous thing in the world.

Have you ever looked at a sunset and said, you know, I think the orange should go with the purple is. So now you know the difference between a judgment and an observation. Like it’s just, it just, it’s like, it just, it’s like a lead balloon.

Okay. At any rate, when you, when you get in a Relax Sauna and you, and you, or like what I was talking about, about having a fever, the parasympathetic nervous system is activated. That gets you outside of time.

It gets you outside of time so that you are in the moment. And it feels like when people go in, it feels like you are basically being wrapped in the womb and a warm blanket in a cocoon. Like you understand what it’s like to be a toasted marshmallow.

You, you, you feel like your grandma is giving you the most wonderful, loving hug in the world. You feel like you’re in the presence of an, of a being giving you unconditional love. You feel like you’re in a beach in Hawaii or you’re basking in divine love.

How was that? Did you enjoy that? Yeah. And so we’ll, we’ll get, you know, there’s nothing like the experience and it occurs. We’ve got an hour and a half.

So I’ve got a lot of time to share with you a lot of the experiences of me, of others, and give you some scientific information that’s been coming out in the last couple of years. For example, we, in 2024, they, they took all these pigs and decided to detoxify them by putting them in the Relax Sauna or, or something like that. And they discovered that, that they actually can get the lead out of pigs’ bodies.

Yeah. Now that is not so much profound just with that study, but they had done another, another study 20 years earlier where they, they compared the Relax Sauna, a little lamp, compared it to a Philips light bulb and find out that in pigs, in mice, and men, all three, that it increased circulation and penetration significantly more than the Philips near-infrared light bulb. So the study we did in 24 about pigs, and you heard the other one about the rats, the pigs, and the, and the, the people.

So if it can do a pig, it can do a person and a rat. So, but, you know, I remember those who believe in science or who believe in the mind or do not know who they are, what they are, do not know that they’re a ball of golden love or a viewpoint, as Euclidean pointed out, we’re all points. We’re all viewpoints.

We’re points of awareness. We’re pieces of shattered mirror. We live beside, beyond time and space.

We have always existed. We will always exist. And as Rumi says in poetry, we will always become greater by dying, because with every death, there’s a birth.

When you go in the Relax Sauna, you feel like you’re dying. You feel good because you let go of anything that, that’s outside of time and space. You, you are able to get into the present moment and that’s the magic.

And the Relax Sauna is, all the saunas are good. Every single sauna, there’s a book here called No Sweat, No Sweat. The, you know, if you don’t see it spelled, you don’t really get an understanding of the title.

But once you know the sweat is your teacher and your healer, life is no sweat. That means no stress. And, and, and like Hippocrates says, find me a way to create fever and sweat.

It was the same word, same Greek word, and I will cure any disease. And those systems of the body, the, the lymphatic system, the circulatory system, the parasympathetic nervous system. And then when you get really, really, really calm, all of a sudden you feel energized.

I used to do coffee five cups a day when I was an undergraduate in mathematics, before I went to graduate school on a, on a fellowship in mathematics at Ohio State. And I, I, I went cold turkey on, I got into meditation instead of coffee. I just dropped it.

And so there’s no caffeine nervous energy in there. It’s a pure, like when you meditate, you get to that certain space, all of a sudden you start feeling energized. It’s a different kind of energy.

It’s pure energy that’s balanced. It’s not, not imbalanced. It’s a pure energy.

It’s not chaotic. It’s, it’s organized. And so when we tune into this, you know, we are a coworker with this inner light.

It works with us and we work with it and we become more free the more we listen to it. And so when we get in the Relax Sauna and we, you know, we, we, we have loftier thoughts. I was told by a person who went in the sauna 20 some years ago that in like five, 10 minutes, it got rid of her depression.

This is the best thing in the world for getting rid of depression. It’s good for everything, you know, it’s because divine love is sort of good for everything. And that’s what I like in it too.

But it’s, it’s, it’s, it’s all about the frequency of light. It’s the frequency. And that’s why other saunas are as good as they are.

Like this one lady and the detox specialist I was telling you about in Las Vegas, she had a $1,400 portable sauna. She had a higher dose blanket. When she got into the Relax Sauna at first, reluctantly, because she had the $1,400 portable sauna, it was the one of the best.

They said they were, they don’t tell you what their vibration rate is, but we sent it to Harvard, MIT science and technology lab. And they told us it was 1.2 to 6 microns. That’s what came out of it.

The Amazon sauna was 0.95 to 1.3 to a hundred percent near infrared. This full spectrum low EMF sauna was 8% far, 37% mid and 55% near infrared energy. And the Relax Sauna had one 12th, according to Harvard, MIT science, health science and technology lab had one 12th EMF of that and 180th EMF of the Amazon sauna.

But the most important statistics or information that they gave us is that the Relax Sauna was three and a half times more stronger and more intense in the penetration than the $1,300 sauna and four and a half times more potent in the intensity of the penetration of the Amazon sauna. And so, you know, basically the, this one guy, he looked on Amazon, not on Amazon, on PubMed.com and found out that the Far Infrared saunas actually increased heart rate variability a lot. So he got a $250 Amazon sauna.

It didn’t, half a degree, didn’t affect heart rate variability at all. So he got a $500 Amazon, reputed to be one of the best, according to the people he was sharing this with, same results. So he reluctantly sort of like got a Relax Sauna.

It blew him away. 25 minutes at raised body temperature, 2.9 to 3.2 degrees. Heart rate variability, significantly more than what the research in the Far Infrared wooden saunas said it would, they could do.

And he says, you know, I’d like to recommend that with cold showers, you get an Amazon cheap, you know, Far Infrared sauna, but it’s not, it doesn’t do the trick. The Relax Sauna is what I recommend. And so we’ve had a lot of independent people that I’ve met in the last 24 years.

We have a lot of doctors, we have a lot of health professionals, nutritional counselors, fitness teachers, yoga teachers, massage therapists, you name it. And a lot of the people who are concerned about the dangers caused by the vaccines, I put two vaccine-injured nurses in the Relax Sauna. They both cried.

They had circulation. They could feel it in their hands for the first time, tingling. The other lady says, I couldn’t feel the circulation in my my hip at all.

And she cried. And then she gave me about a 15-minute interview.

Hello, young person. How did the Relax Sauna do for you?

So I just want to say—pretty amazing. I have my own business, and I have a sauna device that I use, and I like the effect.

I saw this device in one of my doctor’s offices. They were asking what kind of machine I use, and I explained it.

But now that I’ve experienced this, it’s a big difference.

I have a three-zone sauna, and that one creates a lot of heat. But this one feels faster and different.

I could feel my lymph nodes activate, and my heart rate started going up within five minutes.

Thank you so much. What’s your first name? Monica.

The, we had a chiropractor go in. He had his Apple watch on. It measured 50 heart rate variability. They call that HRV.

When he got in the sauna, it went down to 30. When he got out of the sauna, it was 136. Now, I’ve got a degree in mathematics.

I had, you know, in my fraternity, we had a lot of pre-med people. You know, they used to laugh at the business majors. And I joined them in laughing.

And then I, after I was in the business world for five years, I said, I need to take business 101. But the people who are in the medical field, they understand that heart rate variability is like the heart’s ability to handle almost anything, like being a Qigong master or a karate master or a jujitsu. Anything that comes at you, you’ve already, because you’re in the present moment, you already see it coming and you know how to deal with it.

And so, it’s sort of related to the, it’s the space between heartbeats and it’s variable. So, that means you’re healthier. And so, this increases heart rate variability.

And that’s the way you measure the quality and the effectiveness and therapeutic value of a sauna. And I don’t think there’s any sauna that can do what the Relax Sauna does. I think last year, at least 12 different people got in the Relax Sauna at the booth who owned a $10,000 wooden sauna, one of the most popular ones in the United States.

And they all bought Relax Saunas from me as an upgrade. So, instead of $10,000, they’re paying $1,700 or $2,300 minus the show special. And getting something which, as you said, works instantly, or someone said, one of the three of you, it just works instantly.

It feels different. It feels different. And then the therapeutic value.

Nowhere is there a sauna that in five to seven minutes, that includes the preheating, can get rid of 50% to 100% of your pain every single time. And feel like your grandma’s giving you a loving hug. I mean, it’s like, oh my gosh, that’s pretty good.

And people come in, you know, we had about 20 years ago, two young ladies in their early 20s both said that in one day, I feel like my grandma’s giving me a loving hug. And truly, it feels special. I call it the spiritual sauna.

Now, if you have this brochure here, this one, thank you. Thank you for coming. Okay.

So, on this brochure, it says awaken your body, align your energy, amplify your light. If you have a chance to read it, it talks about the spiritual benefits, you know, creativity, attunement, all these things that you can do being in the Relax Sauna. And the reason it works so well is because we filtered out the near-infrared ray.

We only give you the light that causes your body to be, that vibrates the water molecules. And therefore, we increase the temperature of your body significantly more, or at least, it’s not just that. It’s increasing the heart rate variability.

It’s getting all the systems of the body. I spoke earlier about our bodies are repository for far infrared light, and we store energy into the water. And we use that water, not just what Hippocrates said, those four or five systems of the body, but all the systems, the 12.

And so, people say, well, you know, I’m a vegetarian. I ate meat today, and I have a stomachache. I don’t want to go in.

I said, no, no, you have it backwards. You want to go in. And all of a sudden, the pain’s gone.

Digestive pain, all sorts of pain. And it’s magical. And it’s like, why is this work? Again, in the history of saunas, in this book called No Sweat, No Sweat, he talks about every culture in the world has a place where you can go to get warm, because that’s the magic.

It’s like going back into that. It’s like you have the picture of Bugs Bunny in the pot, or a lobster in the pot, and all of a sudden, they’re dead. But not that kind of warm.

But yes, that kind of warm but you survive. You get tuned in. You feel it.

It’s in there, in that sauna. How does it work? Okay, we have just the radiators in front. And we all know that cats lay in the shade.

The far infrared does not work. It’s not heat. That’s not heat.

Heat is not the therapy. It’s the light vibrating our water molecules. Well, why does it work when the radiators are in the bottom? Well, it took me a long time to finally discover that even though it’s invisible, far infrared light is reflected by a mirror.

Now, the speed of light is 186,000 miles per second. There’s no absolute zero. So you’ve got 180 degree, and it’s going just like this, and this, and this.

But it can’t be 180 degree. It’s 179.9. So it’s going to ricochet all over. And that’s why when you go over there, you feel this incredible feeling in your lower back.

You feel it all over. Did you have a good experience? Amazing. Do you want to share? Sure.

I was actually sold on it before we even came in here because I had a chance to sit in it, in the black one out in the exhibit hall. And he asked me how I felt, and I felt like I was floating in heaven. I was on a cloud.

And I had gone in with pain, and I came out with no pain in my shoulder. So definitely something to invest in. So super excited.

Thank you. We got someone else in now. Okay, good.

So the vibration rate of getting into the present moment, of getting all the systems in the body, it again, it’s the special frequency. I call it the granddaddy of all lights. It’s far infrared energy of the granddaddy of all lights.

Now, if you go out into this world in 2025, every person you talk to in the grocery store is talking about red light. Now, I’ve been experiencing red light ever since I was little. Actually, we’ve been experiencing all the lights, but red light is good.

And yes, there’s a lot of truth to the benefits of red light. Right now, there’s an extreme amount of attention on it, and the reason why is because it’s really overpriced. It’s still good, but people are selling it for 20 times what they paid for it.

And in the business world, you’re supposed to sell something for five, six, seven times what you pay for it in order to make it in this world. So, however, there are, and $100 red light added to a sauna is actually not going to do a whole lot of benefit. And I know I was talking to the owner of one of the sauna companies.

He finally caved in, and it just wasn’t worth it talking to people and say, why don’t you have red light in your sauna? Well, red light you do on your own, because if you have red light, then you don’t have as much far-infrared light. Just like if you have too much near-infrared, you don’t have enough far. You can only, and so red light’s good.

PEMF is good. Microcurrent technology is good. Near-infrared lasers, they’re all good.

They do good things. Hyperbaric oxygen chambers, ozone, they’re all good. What do all those things have in common? They all can have better results if you use the Relax Sauna for five to seven minutes before you do them.

The Relax Sauna is the appliance that you, when, before you build your house, you build the house around the Relax Sauna. Then you get a refrigerator and a stove and a washing machine and a dryer. The Relax Sauna will make any other technology work more effectively.

Why? Because your body is clean. Your body is pure. The purer your body is, the more likely you can pick up the benefits of these other technologies.

I’ve been promoting ozone since 1988, as well as chlorine dioxide. I have a health food store. There’s a lot of good products out there, and the far-infrared sauna will help digestion work better.

It will help everything work better. Now, there’s a doctor who gave a talk at one of the naturopathic doctor conferences. She said if you could increase body temperature one degree, you could increase the absorption of nutrients 20%.

So, especially if you’re a non-methylator or whatever, in about five to seven to ten minutes, you’ll increase your body temperature one degree. In the Relax Sauna, in 25 minutes, probably about 3.2 degrees. So, it’s like by increasing your body temperature and cleansing the body, like Hippocrates talked about, you’re getting a lot of things done.

Now, I put a man in at a conference. Matt was there with me in Albuquerque, and he had sciatica pain constantly for six and a half weeks. So, he got in the third day out of five, and in 15 minutes, he let himself get a lot of wet, really wet.

His shirt was half wet, but he was jumping up and down saying, look, no pain. I’ve had pain constantly, six and a half, seven pain for the last seven weeks, and there’s no pain. And it’s like, you know, we put another guy in with sciatica pain about a month later.

It didn’t help him a whole lot, but just a little bit. But it’s an individual thing, and it’s like, he gave me 45 minutes of interviews for a 15-minute session in the Relax Sauna, and then he came back. He got a little cocky, he said, and he hurt himself, and he got in, and he got to no pain again.

He said, if I was a multi-millionaire, I’d buy one of these for every single old-age home in the country. I mean, this belongs in every emergency room. It would save lives.

But, you know, we’re in a world, a very interesting world. You know, again, we’re learning to be neither for nor against, but when we see the dastardly deeds that are done by the pharmaceutical cartels, the medical establishment, you know, it seems like they don’t want us to get better. They just want to maintain us so that we can continue to use their technologies and their drugs.

But again, you have a lot of good people, a lot of good people who really want to do good, and we’re just in a world or a system. And the Relax Sauna is definitely one of those products that you can help to counteract the negativity of this world in terms of eating pure foods, of the water we drink. Again, it’s earth, water, air, and fire.

The fire would be the EMF coming from 5G and other technologies. You have the air, the chemtrails, and you have the pollution of industry. You have water.

It’s like the, from the drugs, the hormones, and all the stuff that’s in it. And you have the fluoride as well. And the earth, you’ve got the glyphosate and all the other pesticides and junk that they put in the, and you have to counteract this.

We live in a toxic world. Doris Rapp wrote a book called Our Toxic World, and she was a strong promoter of the Relax Sauna because she experienced it. And Karen Russell in 2007 said, hey, I’m really confused.

My doctor says I need to get an infrared sauna, and I don’t know which one to get, and my house is small, and my blood reports have come back for the last two and a half years as way, way out of line with mercury and lead. And I feel awful, and I’m a mess. And she says, go talk to Phil.

Dr. Doris Rapp told her, and so she did. And for a couple years, she was our poster child because her blood report came back clean. And she wrote a one-page email, and in that she said that not only that, but I lost, my fat level went from 38% to 21%.

My skin started looking beautiful, and I’m shiny now. People get in the Relax Sauna, they always say how pretty their skin is. One lady, she was a raw food chef, she had a raw food restaurant.

And she says, Phil, are you a vegan? And I hemmed and hawed because I used to be, but I wasn’t. She says, Phil, if your skin looks that good, and you’re not a vegan, I’m buying a sauna. And she also said she lost 67% of her cellulite.

But basically, the skin looked really, really pretty. People go in, and they look radiant. And that’s the quality I notice when people go in.

Okay, we still have another half hour. I would like to find out if anyone has questions. I’m really good at answering questions.

So yes. Yeah. Yes.

My mom is 91—almost 92. She has diabetes but has lived a full life. She’s very little—about 4’8.

Well, if you’re four foot eight, then we have the pedestals there for you. You don’t have to put your feet in the middle between the radiators. You can put your feet on the pedestal so they’re not dangling.

But people say, well, what is the age limit? And I said, there really isn’t one. If you’re 95 and 97 and frail, maybe just put one of the radiators on instead of two.

Do you have any routine studies on using the sauna regularly—like every few days over time?

We’re in the process of getting studies.

Is it proven to reduce stress, tension, and improve energy over time?

Yes. Have you experienced all those benefits since having the sauna?

I haven’t experienced it enough to tell.

Have you experienced those benefits since having the sauna? Okay.

Yeah. Most people, I mean, Relax Saunas, not relaxed saunas, but infrared saunas, there’s about 100, 150 studies. And we have a book here, I hope. Yes. Called Infrared Illuminated, written by Ariel Calista Miller. It’s available on our website or on Amazon.

And there’s about 150 studies on the benefits of infrared saunas about what they can do. And they’re all there. There are what are annotated in here.

And many of them, everyone knows that the infrared saunas get rid of stress and stuff like that. Yeah.

Is there any scientific evidence to show that this is most effective in A, B, C, D, or E, whatever might be?

Can it help my hearing?

I don’t know. Some people are, you know, it’s like Dr. John Christopher said that no disease is incurable, but some people are. And so you may be one of those people that doesn’t listen. Maybe you still listen. No, I’m just kidding. It can and does help with the hearing. Definitely.

But do a personal study. And we’re coming out with this year and next year, getting a lot of data, you know, approving and showing that it does. But again, you know, if 83% of the people approved, there’s always that 17% of the people who are part of the ones who are incurable.

Sometimes we can’t hear because we can’t hear. Yes. Oh, yes.

What was that?

It goes up to 135, 140, 145 right away. In five to seven minutes, it can get up to 170 degrees. And that is too hot.

So we have a sophisticated temperature controlled device built into the sauna. And it’s called a zipper. So if you get too hot, you take these fingers and you have an inside zipper.

So having an inside zipper means it’s not a Hansel and Gretel operation. Okay, we’re not building making gingerbread cookies today. So okay, who else would like to who hasn’t been in the Relax Sauna? Yes.

I am going in for some surgery. And I have breast cancer, and they got it out. And all that. Should I do this after? Before and after.

Well, we have cancer clinics, we have about five or six cancer clinics. When people come, you know, and they have cancer or Lyme disease or some kind of chronic pain, they go into the sauna while they’re there at the clinics. And then afterwards, they buy a sauna from that cancer clinic, and then they continue to use the sauna. There’s a lot of—we have on YouTube—a number of people who have had cancer in the past, and they’re the ones who are the most enthusiastic about using the Relax Sauna because they don’t want it to come back and they feel really, really confident. One lady had breast cancer, got in the Relax Sauna, and didn’t know she had breast cancer, and she had all this pain.

That’s because there’s all this resistance. And that’s how she discovered she had breast cancer. So, but it’s, you know, again, no company wants to make a claim and have the FDA come after them, or the pharmaceutical industry.

So, you never want to say, you know, you always say, well, if you’re pregnant, talk to your doctor, if you, but basically, it’s, you go in for five, seven minutes if you feel, you know, even five to seven minute treatments with your clothes on are very, very important. No other sauna company can do that because they take 20 to 30 minutes to preheat. But just going in, it takes 30 seconds to preheat.

You go in for five to seven minutes just with your clothes on. You almost can’t do any harm. And now, if you have Lyme disease and you have herpes, sometimes you can go in for 11 minutes and the 12 minutes is too much, and you have to work up to it because you’re detoxing too quickly.

You know, so you always want to be gentle. Yes. The contraindications on the Relax Sauna would be the dehydration.

You want to make sure you drink water because when you’re sweating profusely, you want to replace the water and sometimes electrolytes or magnesium or minerals. But if you have extremely, extremely low blood pressure, you just want to be cautious because it lowers blood pressure. And if one person had the lymph glands removed from her body, her arm, and so it was too painful, but she’s been using the Relax Sauna and so she would continue to go in and put her arm out, the arm hole.

It’s a great product, are there any negative side effects that it has?

That was my question, is there a contraindication for someone who has had their lymph nodes removed after cancer?

Yes, you had a question. Again, I’d say go, it’s mainly, it’s just, it’s painful. It can be.

And so as long as, if you go in just for five, seven minutes and it’s not painful, then, then, you know, when it starts to get painful, then, then go out. Or, you know, this one lady found a creative way to do it. She would do a 20 minute sweat and just have her arm out because that’s, it does have the hole there for that.

The Relax Sauna has a 30 minute timer. We don’t have a heater. It’s the semiconductor chips are temperature controlled.

They control the temperature and it slowly increases over time, like 130, 140, 145, it can get up to 170. And there was a time about maybe 15 years ago where I was hot. At 22 minutes, I get hot.

And the only way I can stay in the sauna is either to be meditating or have to move my body. And finally it dawned on me and I’ve been giving all these talks and I said, it’s the light, not the heat. It’s the light, not the heat.

I said, why do I think I’m an extreme athlete? And I have to go 30 minutes, you know, and like, it’s like, how, how, how long can you hold your breath? You know, or, you know, can you withstand 210 degrees, you know? No, the idea is you’re supposed to be comfortable. You don’t need to be miserable. You don’t need to suffer.

You just want to be comfortable. So after 22 minutes and you are sweating like profusely, you wind up the zipper, um, eight inches and either keep it there or bring it back up or just leave it there. And wow, I’m still sweating profusely and I’m not even hot.

And that’s the beauty of this. You know, now there’s all sorts of things people say, oh, you’re going to, you know, you have to keep on getting the water off because otherwise the toxins are going to be absorbed back in the body. No, it doesn’t work that way.

And a lot of people who are, you know, doctors and seem to be intelligent, they say things like that. Well, you know, I studied rebounding and I’m a certified reboundologist, by the way. I’m so proud of myself.

And Al Carter was giving these certification classes and it’s a one-way valve. The lymphatic system is on a one-way valve when you’re detoxified. So when you get out of the sauna, you’re going to continue for another 20 minutes detox.

You’re not going to be absorbing in, you’re, you’re getting it out. It’s a one-way valve. And, uh, you know, uh, people will always say, if you’re pregnant, you shouldn’t get into the sauna.

Oh, where’d you hear that? And then they come out with a 20 year study on saunas saying pregnant Finnish ladies, you know, in Finland, this is the traditional saunas. That is the healthiest thing in the world for a pregnant woman to get in the saunas. But you know, the one thing I’ve noticed in living life for the last so many years is that there’s only one thing safe for a pregnant woman to do.

You have to sit on your bed and twiddle your thumbs. Yeah. The zipper.

No, there isn’t. No. That’s an incredible question.

Now, if you, if you take this out and put it like this, this switch is for that one. And this switch is for that radiator. Cause there’s two radiators.

It’s a double radiator. And now when the sauna first came out, they had one switch and then they finally discovered that people would like it to be less hot. And so you can do that now.

And so now you know how to, how to, which one goes to which. Yeah, she’s, she’s good. Okay.

The black sauna tent is thicker and it retains the heat a little bit better. And it reflects the light a little bit better. And it’s got the same radiator, same motor.

And therefore, but what makes the Relax Sauna special is that it’s got that embroidered ivory logo and it looks cool in a high end spa. And that’s why they created it for rich Taiwanese people who wanted to feel special, like they wanted to be a member of the Harley club. And then to make it different, they said, let’s make the tent thicker.

Now, a lot of the athletes, a lot of people have noticed that it does get a little hotter. Now, Phil that’s me. Haven’t hasn’t noticed, you know? So I say, if money’s an issue, get the silver one, you’re not sacrificing your health.

If you have to stay in one more minute, fine. Okay. If you have a high end spa and you’ve got, you’re making 30, 40,000 a month by the black one, cause it looks cool and it brings you joy.

I used to sell, I used to buy colored staples and pay $7 and 99 cents for them instead of a dollar for a thousand silver staples because it brought me joy. And the Relax Sauna does bring you joy. Yes.

Uh-huh. Yeah. Uh, personally, no.

Um, but go in for five minutes one day and then the next day and every day for a week. And if it, if it feels better and it seems to be going down and buy one, um, you know, uh, people come to me and they say I had restless leg syndrome and I bought a sauna, not because of that, but because of, uh, I, I bought the sauna because I heard it was good for fibromyalgia and it is. And she said, you didn’t tell me it was good for restless leg syndrome.

I don’t have restless leg. I have restless body syndrome. I was used as a guinea pig for seven drugs and none of them have helped.

And I’ve got the Relax Sauna for two, three weeks that I bought from my fibromyalgia and I don’t have that problem anymore. I don’t have body syndrome anymore. Oh boy.

It, it takes forever. Maybe five minutes of turning it on. After you’ve been in it, you just close it up and turn it on and in five minutes it self-cleans.

Now to use it for five, seven minutes, like we’re using here, you know, you just go in with your clothes on and usually you don’t sweat and then you can turn it on for five minutes. But if you want to do a profuse 20 minutes sweat is all it takes. You put a drape of a bath towel, a folded bath towel on the chair.

Then you drape another bath towel over the chair and you get in. And because you’ve got the bottom bath towel, the chair does not get wet. So if you don’t want the chair to get wet.

It’s not necessary. Far Infrared goes through clothes. So it’s now near infrared does not and red light does not.

Far Infrared does. Far Infrared ray works vibrationally. Near infrared and red light are absorbed by the chromophores.

They work chemically with the body. They cause the, um, the mitochondria to be entered to work. So it’s energetic and it’s good for the skin and it’s good for pain, but it’s not vibrational.

That’s the difference between far infrared light. The far infrared light from the sun goes through the sand two inches and resonates with the water in turtle eggs and activates the turtle to grow into, uh, the embryo to grow into a turtle. Otherwise it would not.

The top of the sand gets hot from the ultraviolet. Ultraviolet, we get sun tan and sunburn. Dr. Yamaguchi, uh, that had done a lot of research in Japan says that the far infrared light between seven and 14 micron antidotes sunburn.

So when someone comes to me and we’re doing a show on the beach in Florida or here in San Diego or LA and someone comes in with a sunburn and I say, well, you know, the most common thing you would think to do if you have a sunburn is to get in the Relax Sauna, right? They say, no. I said, you get in and I guarantee you in five to seven minutes, your pain will be zero at the most one. The eight, nine times I’ve put people in exactly, that’s what happened.

Yeah, Pete. So we put, we put the lamp on it and the little one we have in our booth and literally in 10 minutes, his blister shrunk and he, and he was like, ah, you still, he hon came in the next morning and it was amazing. I was even amazed.

Um, he’s, he was like, can I do another 15 minutes? And we were like, yeah, he goes, you gotta, can we see this? And took off his shoe. His blister was that big and it was no liquid in it at all. And you could see the skin healing already.

It was amazing. So yeah, it, it’s the same, you know, you have the radiators in there. Well, the lamp is, is, um, like this.

It’s a, it’s a little lamp. It’s, it’s, it, it shines light, but you can’t see the light, but it’s like about, uh, like this big of my hand and you put it on your tooth. And I did that for 15 minutes and my tooth pain went from a seven to a one.

One, one lady had a, she got burnt by a near-infrared laser for a dental procedure and she was a vendor and her pain was about nine. And so she said, well, I said, take the lamp. And she just did this for five or seven minutes.

And then she went away. And then, and I said, come use it two, three times a day. And then I was really upset.

I said, damn, it didn’t help. And now I finally got ahold of her a couple of days later. She said, no, no, it’s now it’s been four and a half years and the pain hasn’t come back.

So it’s like, if you could be a fly on the wall and hear what people say when they get out of the sauna, it’d be anyway, about that long, you know, in a heartbeat, you would buy the sauna for you if you had the money, because it is magical what it does. And it’s like it, when I first started promoting these 24 years ago, people would come to me with wooden saunas and say, well, you know, I have a real sauna. That’s nice.

And what I tell people now is I say, if you have a $10,000 sauna, and you haven’t been in here, you have no clue, no clue what this feels like. It is not a sauna. Technically, a Far Infrared sauna is not a sauna.

These are energy medicine devices. A Far Infrared sauna is a different animal. A sauna works with heat.

A Finnish sauna heats up the room. The Mayo Clinic in 2004 said that their patients, they recommend Far Infrared saunas for their patients, because it’s magical, and there’s a lot of proof that it helps them. But the Finnish saunas and the hot tubs at that time in 2004, they said, you don’t want to do that, because the heart has to race to find an equilibrium when the outside temperature increases a whole lot, and your body temperature remains the same.

But by increasing your body temperature one or two degrees, you can handle 20, 30, 40, 50 degrees on the outside and be fine. And so, you know, I’ve got stories from people, you know, like, here’s what you do for, you know, like, when I’m bored, I go to the internet, I go to YouTube, and I put in near-death experiences. There’s always, you know, it’s just really fun to hear all this great stuff.

So when you’re bored, you go to YouTube and put in Relax Sauna testimonials, and then you go to the Relax Sauna page, and then you, and then, and then you just listen to five, six, seven, eight, or nine of those testimonials. And it’s like, some are good, and some are, some are great, and some are, you know, a little boring, but, but basically, the Relax Sauna is one of your solutions. It is a solution, and if you have a health spa, or you, you have a, your, your, your nutritional coach, we encourage you to not only use it regularly, but, but share it with your, your patients, your customers, your clients, and you can become, once you buy one and find, and you, you have to tell me in writing or verbally that you are in love with the Relax Sauna, and that’s a second qualification for you to become a reseller.

Okay, you qualify, yes. Basically, I shower every day, almost, you know. There’s no reason why you can’t use it every day.

You, you can use it every day. Again, you know, you listen to your body, four to seven, you know, yeah, four to seven times a week, like the Finnish study, those Finns who used it four to seven times a week, their, their, I don’t know what you call it, your morbidity, your, your, your, how long you live, and how healthy your heart is, all that is significantly healthier than if you just do it once. I didn’t invent it.

It was invented by Dr. Chang and a team of scientists. It took 10 years from 1987 to 1997 for them to invent the semiconductor chip. They had originally just a little lamp, and they took it to the 1998 Pittsburgh Inventing Convention or whatever, and they were awarded a gold medal for their achievement.

It’s patented, and it’s, as far as I know, it’s the only computer technology used in saunas, and we’ve been out in the United States for 24 years, and none of the other sauna companies can do that. Yeah. We’ve noticed that, like, I was saying that I got a guy in Texas who had bought a sauna, and a year later, we’re both saying 22 minutes was the magic, and 3.2 degrees is how much it increased it.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Right. So, they’re doing a whole study. Beautiful.

They kept doing that, and then they realized it was 2 to 5, because now he has his own podcast. Yeah. That’s the same thing that would be doing.

Well, you know, if you put yourself in the shoes of someone who’s making a whole lot of money, and then they discover something can do the whole sort of thing for hardly any money at all, you have to, you know, to understand that they’re in a quandary, you know, and we’re all, it’s like, you know, you’re at a crossroads. What do you do? You know, it’s like you get in the sauna for 5, 7 minutes, and you’re in public, and, you know, you come to the point where you start sweating. What do you do? You know, you either get out because you don’t want to sweat, or you stay in because you feel so damn good.

Yes. Well, if you raise the body temperature, it’s going to get rid of parasites, you know, and again, the fever therapy they did, or the hyperthermia in Germany, or the fever therapy, get it up to 104, 105, and you’re going to get a lot of those parasites gone that you can’t at 101, 102, but if every day you get it up to 101, like Dr. Paul Anderson said, he can get it up to 101.5, 101.9 every time, and if you can do that every day, then you’re slowly going to build health, and you’re slowly going to get your body working optimally. It’s 101.5, 101.9 in 20-25 minutes.

That’s what he said they were able to do. There are doctors who do IV therapy, you know, and they put people in the Relax Sauna, because if you can increase the body temperature, like even one degree in 10 minutes, you’re going to increase the absorption of nutrients, so you’re going to increase the absorption of the IV, and also, if you give IV therapy, a lot of the doctors have trouble doing the veins, and so you put them in for five minutes, you have no problem finding that vein. I mean, it’s been a difficulty for me getting doctors who have $10,000 wooden saunas, and after they’ve just spent that much money, to accept the fact that this thing is probably three or four times more potent and more therapeutic at 1,700 or 2,300, yes.

There’s a one-year warranty, but don’t let that fool you, because I have people saying, I’ve had my sauna for 17 years, 16 years, 12 years, and it’s still as good as new and works the same way. Occasionally, we’ll have people, after six years, they say, my radiator doesn’t work the way it is, and I say, well, send it back, and I’ll let you buy it. If you return the old one, we’ll let you buy a brand new radiator for half price.

Yeah, you can buy the parts. A lot of people, they don’t take care of their tent, and so it’s like furniture, you get it reupholstered, so you can get a new tent. The sauna sells for 1,700, the silver tent sells for 375, so you can do that, yes.

The 1,700 for the silver, the show special, only when we do shows, or only under Black Friday, we’re giving you the maximum discount, that’s $200 at the show, and so it costs $1,700.50 to ship, so that’s 1,750, so the silver one will be 1,550 at the show special, yes. Yeah, the what kind? Well, I don’t think so. I don’t think so.

Again, it’s the increasing of the body temperature, the heart rate, it’s activating the parasympathetic, and you’re going to activate the parasympathetic a little bit with a hot tub, and with a finished sauna, it depends if it gets too hot, and you can create heat shock proteins, but the Relax Sauna will give you heat shock proteins. I wanted to mention before, because I got probably one or two minutes left, that the website is relaxsaunas.com, another website with the current information is relaxsaunas.com/superior. Yes, it fits in a suitcase, yes.

This is the Omni, Samsonite Omni, 28-inch spinner, and the chair fits in here, and so, you know, when you’re at our booth, and you live in Mexico or Colombia, you want to take it home with you, because you’re going to save on duty and all that, and shipping, and so, you know, I’ll sell them my suitcase, and I’ll buy another one. I’ve sold about four or five of these in the last six months, yes. Where do you live? Yeah, you’ll get it in one day.

We ship out of Las Vegas, we ship out of Columbus, Ohio, so anyone who lives in LA or Phoenix can get it in one, or San Diego can get it in one day. If you live in New York, you’ll get it in two days, it’ll ship out of Columbus, so we can get it anywhere in the country in three days. Yeah, you could, you could, or it’s probably difficult, it’s probably easier for us to ship it.

Yeah, yes, no, no other company uses this technology. Most of the, they usually use an easy, they either use ceramics, this is a ceramic semiconductor chip, so it’s computer technology, or they use a combination of ceramic and the carbon panels. The carbon panels are pretty primitive, they’re pretty cheap.

When my old sauna, it, one of the panels went out for $35, I was able to get a new one, yeah. I’m planning on being there in about three weeks. We have about one or two minutes left, they gave me the five minute sign a few minutes ago, yes.

We’ve sold 30,000, 40,000 Relax Saunas in the last 24 years. Our sales have been increasing rapidly in the last five years, I think from, I think we, we went from selling 2,000 saunas in 2021 to 4,000, and then two years later sold 6,000. Yes, the fact that you’re on the earth means you have parasites, and you know, you just have to, again, your immune system keeps it at bay.

You know, the parasites, I mean, I, I was selling Hulda Clark’s formulas way back to health food stores in the 80s and 90s. You want to get the eggs, you want to get the little kids, and you want to get the adults. You know, everyone talks about clove, black walnut hull, and wormwood, you know, those are the, but you know, pumpkin seed, and papaya seed, and black seed oil, there’s so many, and oregano oil, there’s a lot of other things that you can do.

It’s, it’s a, it’s a ball of wax. Yeah, use the Relax Sauna, and that’s going to increase your health a lot. Um, I appreciate all of you being here.

Now, we’re at booth 458. That’s in the corner. Yeah, but we’re in the, in the, really, really in the corner there.

So, thanks for attending. Um, I don’t know if I stayed on topic about frequency, but at least we got a lot of information out, you educated you. Again, the experience is what the intellectual information does is just confirming the fact that you’re, you’re on track.

You saved $200 at the show, and everyone, I appreciate you attending and showing up. Thank you.